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[Diver]

Then you must walk around day to day with your eyes shut.

Kudos to you if you've found a female that isnt a money grabbing feminist. However since you arent even aware they exist, I doubt you even know.

Hahahahahaha how on earth, in this day and age do you think women have it harder? Go on, amuse me with a list >>

Taliban restrictions and mistreatment of women include the:

1- Complete ban on women's work outside the home, which also applies to female teachers, engineers and most professionals. Only a few female doctors and nurses are allowed to work in some hospitals in Kabul.

2- Complete ban on women's activity outside the home unless accompanied by a mahram (close male relative such as a father, brother or husband).

3- Ban on women dealing with male shopkeepers.

4- Ban on women being treated by male doctors.

5- Ban on women studying at schools, universities or any other educational institution. (Taliban have converted girls' schools into religious seminaries.)

6- Requirement that women wear a long veil (Burqa), which covers them from head to toe.

7- Whipping, beating and verbal abuse of women not clothed in accordance with Taliban rules, or of women unaccompanied by a mahram.

8- Whipping of women in public for having non-covered ankles.

9- Public stoning of women accused of having sex outside marriage. (A number of lovers are stoned to death under this rule).

10- Ban on the use of cosmetics. (Many women with painted nails have had fingers cut off).

11- Ban on women talking or shaking hands with non-mahram males.

12- Ban on women laughing loudly. (No stranger should hear a woman's voice).

13- Ban on women wearing high heel shoes, which would produce sound while walking. (A man must not hear a woman's footsteps.)

14- Ban on women riding in a taxi without a mahram.

15- Ban on women's presence in radio, television or public gatherings of any kind.

16- Ban on women playing sports or entering a sport center or club.

17- Ban on women riding bicycles or motorcycles, even with their mahrams.

18- Ban on women's wearing brightly colored clothes. In Taliban terms, these are "sexually attracting colors."

19- Ban on women gathering for festive occasions such as the Eids, or for any recreational purpose.

20- Ban on women washing clothes next to rivers or in a public place.

21- Modification of all place names including the word "women." For example, "women's garden" has been renamed "spring garden".

22- Ban on women appearing on the balconies of their apartments or houses.

23- Compulsory painting of all windows, so women can not be seen from outside their homes.

24- Ban on male tailors taking women's measurements or sewing women's clothes.

25- Ban on female public baths.

26- Ban on males and females traveling on the same bus. Public buses have now been designated "males only" (or "females only").

27- Ban on flared (wide) pant-legs, even under a burqa.

28- Ban on the photographing or filming of women.

29- Ban on women's pictures printed in newspapers and books, or hung on the walls of houses and shops.


30- Banned listening to music

[MarillionFan]

What Diver Says.

Wim. You're more chutney than ferret.

[wim121]

Wim. You make Dale Winton and Quentin Crisp look like the Krays you're so queer. You're so repressed, Mr Tumulus wonders how you got a prime position in that cupboard. With the last rep you left me, even Oedipus refers to a Wim complex.

You're the one that leaves me overtly sexual rep. MF, please stop the advances, I don't screw bedwetters.

My wife isn't a femenist, she's an equal partner in our relationship and secure in her own right to act as an equal, through intelligence, education and outlook.

You're confusing equality, which the OH has as well, since this isnt 1917 and social conditioning. In short, your wife to some degree is a feminist. Her tired vitriolic response confirmed it.

My Wife asks- It is obvious from your posts that you feel threatened by strong independant women

Perhaps she should try reading my others then. I actually like strong women, especially those that initiate in certain situations as well. Keep the ad hoc feminist attacks coming, it certainly is amusing that you both cant counter a point without trying to attack the person instead of the point. If it werent so amusing, it would be pitiful and pathetic.

Could this be because you feel that you yourself are weaker of will

Not at all.

and need your own self esteem bolstered by a system or society like that of the Taleban that systematically denegrates women (and girls)

We arent all like MF. Not all of us need to put down someone to make themselves feel bigger. It has nothing to do with ego, which I couldnt care less about. It has everything to do with fairness and equality, something you might fail to understand.

because it is led by weak men of low intelligence with feelings of inadequacy.

I disagree with you POV on their culture. The difference between Islam and Christianity is minuscule if you read the bible. The problem is that modern Christians only acknowledge a couple of the bibles passages. If they followed it more diligently, our morality and society would be closer to theirs.

Your wife may think that a woman wearing a burkha is terribly oppressed but do you ask each individual before speaking for them? They may feel that western women are taken advantage of.

This image I found amusing recently demonstrates this point:

[MarillionFan]

You are EO and I claim my five sessions with a psychotherapist, divorce lawyer and a priest.

[wim121]

Taliban restrictions and mistreatment of women include the:

Diver my dear fool, you are the one that brought up muslims. I certainly didnt and I fail to see how discussing an entirely separate culture is relevant to a discussion about the western world?

Climb off your soap box and come back on topic. This response of yours is well known and a pathetic manoeuvre as well and far from intelligent. When feminists cant counter a point rationally, they will bring in an abstract point (like you have with muslims) further it to a point where they feel they have proved a hatred of women and use that to try and "win the argument", because staying on topic they know they wont be able to counter the points effectively.

Your wife should know these common tired ploys. Please try something a bit different, even for entertainment.

[Bunk]

You're confusing equality, which the OH has as well, since this isnt 1917 and social conditioning. In short, your wife to some degree is a feminist. Her tired vitriolic response confirmed it.

It's very convenient for you to automatically disregard any women who doesn't like you as a raving feminist isn't it?

To paraphrase a line from The Social Network, you're going to go through life thinking that women hate you because they're all nasty feminists. That's not true, they're going to hate you because you're a twat.

Oh, and for gods sake stop saying "ad hoc" when you mean "ad hominem". It just makes you look like an even bigger tool than you already do.

[wim121]

You are EO and I claim my five sessions with a psychotherapist, divorce lawyer and a priest.

Im sure you know them all and can use their services for free. I bet your wife couldnt deal with your homosexual reps you left people, divorced you and with nowhere left to turn, you confided in a priest who lets you fiddle with the altar boys every sunday and you ask them to abbreviate "my father", just so when an altar boy says "MF, I have sinned" you can get some kind of sadistic sexual pleasure out of it.

[wim121]

It's very convenient for you to automatically disregard any women who doesn't like you as a raving feminist isn't it?

This has nothing to do with a woman liking me. I have no problem in that regard.

However diver's wife response is a classic well acknowledged attack that feminists use in their toolbox and quite frankly, it's as boring as your post.

[Diver]

Your wife may think that a woman wearing a burkha is terribly oppressed but do you ask each individual before speaking for them? They may feel that western women are taken advantage of.

This image I found amusing recently demonstrates this point:

May I point out that western women have a choice, opressed Moslem women don't

6- Requirement that women wear a long veil (Burqa), which covers them from head to toe.

7- Whipping, beating and verbal abuse of women not clothed in accordance with Taliban rules.

8- Whipping of women in public for having non-covered ankles.

10- Ban on the use of cosmetics. (Many women with painted nails have had fingers cut off).

Makes your comment and cartoon a little irrelevant

[wim121]

May I point out that western women have a choice, opressed Moslem women don't

6- Requirement that women wear a long veil (Burqa), which covers them from head to toe.

7- Whipping, beating and verbal abuse of women not clothed in accordance with Taliban rules.

8- Whipping of women in public for having non-covered ankles.

10- Ban on the use of cosmetics. (Many women with painted nails have had fingers cut off).

Makes your comment and cartoon a little irrelevant

As I already said in response >>

Diver my dear fool, you are the one that brought up muslims. I certainly didnt and I fail to see how discussing an entirely separate culture is relevant to a discussion about the western world?

Climb off your soap box and come back on topic. This response of yours is well known and a pathetic manoeuvre as well and far from intelligent. When feminists cant counter a point rationally, they will bring in an abstract point (like you have with muslims) further it to a point where they feel they have proved a hatred of women and use that to try and "win the argument", because staying on topic they know they wont be able to counter the points effectively.

Your wife should know these common tired ploys. Please try something a bit different, even for entertainment.

So Im waiting for you to stop dodging the original conversation and answer those points. You have failed to do that throughout.