Are there any militant secularists on this forum?

[DodgyAgent]

What do you mean by myth?

That Jesus never existed?
That he did exist and the stories about him were made up or inflated?
That he's a construct, an idealisation for the focus of faith?

You won't find many historians who'll give credence to the idea that there was no such man.

btw - there was no small army of clerks writing down his words. The earliest possible date for the gospel writings is around 70AD - some 40 years afer Jesus' death. Some of what was written down will have come, most likely, from people remembering what he said, and telling it to one another. Eventually, someone thought - hey, this is good stuff, and decided to write it down. The gospel of Luke is written in such a way to give the impression it was written as a result of wanting to get down things on record - that Luke went and spoke to eye witnesses, asking them what they remembered, what they'd seen, and then he wrote it all down.

I don't know where you're getting your theories from, but they're far off mainstream historical and biblical scholarship.

Well did he exist? did he exist in the form portrayed in the bible or was he David "golden balls" Beckham?
was he in fact a he?

[TimberWolf]

I can still remember all the words and tunes from the hymns we used to sing at scool assembly. Even though I never had any faith - it all sunk in and stuck

I suppose it would be like you knowing all the words to 'the red flag' or the Horst Wesel song.

Combe bye arr was a good one. Sounds quite northern too. Altogether now...

[TimberWolf]

Combe bye arr was a good one. Sounds quite northern too. Altogether now...

Otherwise known as Kumbaya.

[BrilloPad]

Well did he exist? did he exist in the form portrayed in the bible or was he David "golden balls" Beckham?
was he in fact a he?

Even the Koran says he did exist.

He claimed to be the son of god. Was he? Was he mistaken? Was he mad?

[TimberWolf]

Even the Koran says he did exist.

He claimed to be the son of god. Was he? Was he mistaken? Was he mad?

Don't the Jews disagree? At least as far as who his father was.

[EternalOptimist]

aye, Jerusalem is a good song for a barney, kumbyar is a good song for a boozeup

abide with me is ok for cup finals.

you'll never w@nk alone is ok for those special priestly choir-boy felching sessions

[Goatfell]

MPs are far far more likely kiddie fiddlers than priests. And with priests you are talking about a very very small number.

Its a bit you saying no-one on here should be listened to as pacharan talks nonsense.

It is these sorts of sweeping generalisations that stop people becoming scout leaders. Another opportunity to educate young people lost.

Mr Pot, meet Mr Kettle

[KimberleyChris]

Don't the Jews disagree? At least as far as who his father was.

Because of family connections, I know more about Judaism than is usual.

He doesn't feature in the Jewish religion at all, but this is mainly a question of time, in the same way that the Christian bible has never been 'updated' to include Mohammed.

Israel at the time was a melting-pot of different religious factions, and Jesus of Nazareth represented only one of these.

There are people known as 'Messianic Jews', who are people who adhere to Judaism, but including Jesus, but they are not mainstream.

Judaism is just the same as any other religion ... it is split into a whole spectrum of different beliefs and practices.

[EternalOptimist]

was he in fact a he?

I suppose she could have been the aunty Christ

[NotAllThere]

...There are people known as 'Messianic Jews', who are people who adhere to Judaism, but including Jesus, but they are not mainstream.
...

Kind of like the first Christians who were all Jews. Christianity is a Jewish sect.