Should smacking laws be eased after riots?

[mudskipper]

Peter didn't get much then?

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[bobspud]

Do you think it was the hidings that shaped you or the fact that boundaries were imposed?
The current problems are down to a lack of boundaries for these kids behaviour. Enforcement doesn't have to be physical, just carried through properly.

It was boundaries backed up with the fact that very soon I knew that if I was dumb enough to keep pushing those boundaries, I would have trouble sitting down after my backside was smacked. So consequently I chose to be well mannered and behaved, thus hardly ever needing to be told what was right or wrong.

I have trouble equating those boundaries with one of the little monsters in my sons class having playstaton time removed for a week for cutting another child's head open with a stone....
What did the child learn?
He did what he wanted to do...
It didn't hurt because he does not care what anyone in the headmasters office thinks...
and now just has to do something else except play games for one week till it's business as usual..."

Not so long after this he was expelled for trying to sell drugs (he was 10 FFS)

Compared with my last ever smack:
The kid was taunting me. I got hold of the little brat, and he went home with a bleeding nose and bloody lip. Dad got involved and my backside hurt for as long as his lip.

The next day without any teacher interventions, he wandered up and apologised to me in school for pushing my buttons, I said sorry for getting fisty. Both of us learned about respecting each others boundaries... We couldn't go on in the same taunting and punishment beating cycle because there was a pain threshold involved for both of us... the whole thing was done and dusted in 2 days...

[original PM]

The thing is we are talking about getting the youth of today to respect boundaries etc.

yet what example is being set by the wealth and supposed business leaders of our country.

It seems to be acceptable to lie, cheat and be generally dishonest if it makes money.

And therefore why would our kids learn anything different.

We spend much of our time teaching our children to be honest upstanding citizens - except as soon as they get to a certain age lies, deceipt and back stabbing becomes the way to achieve your goals.

We are simply reaping what we sow.

[wim121]

Young people's rights

See Punishment section.

Example in itself that not enough is known on the issue, everyone should be educated on what is allowed. Parents and authorities.

That's why I stated what was allowed. Allowed seems to be too much of a blanket statement. It may be legally correct, but that is different from morally permissible. Smacking never harmed me and social services were never called when I was smacked in public, however things are very different nowadays and I wouldn't personally like to take the risk in exercising my rights when they cannot be guaranteed to protect me.

IMO the root cause is that social services are answerable to no-one. And they cannot be sued. They have absolute power.

Indeed. If they want to take your kid, they will, even if you have been legally doing everything correct. Cases like Baby P don't make it easier. In a short window, they have to decide between a parent doing something do-gooders don't find acceptable and covert abuse. Sadly many good parents have their kids ripped away from them and spend years protesting. But as you said, SS are answerable to no-one and once your kids are taken, it can be very hard to get them back.

[wim121]

The thing is we are talking about getting the youth of today to respect boundaries etc.

yet what example is being set by the wealth and supposed business leaders of our country.

It seems to be acceptable to lie, cheat and be generally dishonest if it makes money.

And therefore why would our kids learn anything different.

We spend much of our time teaching our children to be honest upstanding citizens - except as soon as they get to a certain age lies, deceipt and back stabbing becomes the way to achieve your goals.

We are simply reaping what we sow.

Indeed. I often got annoyed when I was younger, when I found that my mother lied (and still does) when she didnt know the answer to a question. The first lie parents tell is the xmas lie. Then every time they dont have an answer to an awkward or intellectual/knowledgable question, they'll lie over and over again. How does that teach a child as they grow up to tell the truth?