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[KimberleyChris]

OK. sorry for really cheering you all up with my 'Mad Max' vision of the future of capitalism, but you must admit that it is a possibility. No system is sacred.

If I'm right, I'll see you all down at the pig farm.

I hope I'm wrong......

[BrilloPad]

Any of you financial gurus explain?

Sasguru will be along at some point to call you a cretin for not knowing.

HTH

[KimberleyChris]

It's strange.
I don't mind 'plonker' or 'pillock'...I've called myself worse,

...but why do I miss being called a cretin by a cretin?.

[DodgyAgent]

You mean like a capitalist system that would not allow bust banks to fail and now continues to be propped up false money; that sort of polarisation?

Honestly DA you're an agent for a reason.

What exactly is your point? Is capitalism wrong? If you read what you cut and paste you will understand that this whole debate with regards to Banks and governments is not an argument about capitalism at all. But you turn it into one because you look at everything in binary (which is why no IT person has to my knowledge ever run a top 500 company anywhere)- wrong or right. You do not have the intellectual capacity to understand that the problems we face are nothing to do with a right or wrong view of capitalism

[KimberleyChris]

"Recruitment Agents are victims too"

Dear Dodgy.

Please could you expand on this?

For better or worse, many of us are reliant on Recruitment Agents to identify work for us, and rely upon the business environment in which they operate.

What's bad for you is bad for us too. usually.

Serious, not rhetorical question......

[DodgyAgent]

The problem is that the main 'engines' of capitalism, the banks and other financial institutions, that are supposed to wisely 'look after' our money, only have one real asset that does not in fact belong to somebody else.

That is their reputation for honesty, caution and shrewdness.

The people have now largely lost any trust they ever had in the capitalist monolith.

'Money' in its widest sense, is now regarded by many as just a grotesque game of monopoly, except played using our pension funds etc.

Capitalism has had a good innings, but now the whole system is being held up by a noose around its neck, and the taxpayer was forced to supply the ricketty stool for it to stand on.

What we would replace it with, I do not know. Communism is a non-runner, so what 'ism' do you think will take over if/when the stool collapses?

The problem is not that capitalism has failed it is that we do not have enough of it. We have a system that is dominated by monopolies. The difference between them is that the benficiaries are different. Instead of planned economies dominated by government owned monopolies we have private monoplies that suck up to governments. You socialists like to think that the system that you so hate (that you so benefit from) is so flawed you cannot wait to discredit it. Yet not only do you have no better system of your own but you ignore the fact that capitalism fails when socialist dynamics (monopolies) take over.

[DodgyAgent]

"Recruitment Agents are victims too"

Dear Dodgy.

Please could you expand on this?

For better or worse, many of us are reliant on Recruitment Agents to identify work for us, and rely upon the business environment in which they operate.

What's bad for you is bad for us too. usually.

Serious, not rhetorical question......

My point is manifested in your use of the words "rely", as if agents have some sort of moral responsibility to contractors. We do not. We fill a gap in the market that is driven by supply and demand. The whole concept of "victimhood" is driven by the need to feel that we are not masters of our own destiny that someone else is responsible for the goods and the ills of our lives. My point is that by the very same arguments and definitions that apply to every other "entitled" member of society the rules apply equally to us recruitment agencies.

[oscarose]

many of us are reliant on Recruitment Agents to identify work for us

Start networking and going direct, it's the way forward - works for me and many others.

[KimberleyChris]

"You socialists like to think that the system that you so hate (that you so benefit from) is so flawed you cannot wait to discredit it".

Hmmm...

As you know, I am not really 'a socialist'. I would much prefer better - more ethical - capitalism.

There is no political party that I can vote for without great reservations. I am to the right of Labour, and to the left of the Tories, but I am 'dry' like yourself, not rather 'wet' like the liberals.

There is nothing 'wrong' with capitalism, it's just that it is an imposed system that you are born into and have no escape from.

We all took the pee out of the hysterical grief of North Koreans who were born, bred and brainwashed into an existing system of Stalinism,

As a free country, how are we to regard those who are 'sceptical about the current state of' but not 'opposed to' capitalism?

[DodgyAgent]

Start networking and going direct, it's the way forward - works for me and many others.

If I was a contractor I would do exactly this and only use agencies when I had to. I would be busy networking and finding and gathering as much information as I could - I would want control.