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Originally posted by sasguru View PostBy making that statement you have identified yourself as an arriviste.And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014Comment
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Originally posted by Mich the Tester View PostLet me recount a little story. A little while ago, the ravishing Lady Tester and I were wandering around a nearby small town that's known for its art galleries and little boutiques run by young designers. Obviously, some of the shoes on offer were of great interest to the lady of Tester manor, and of considerable economic disquietment to yours truly. Anyway, Lady Tester bought (and generously allowed me to pay for) a pair of shoes in a rather smart little shop. As we left the shop, we overheard a young boy asking his father 'what's in that shop?' His father, rather less elegantly dressed than most other perambulators, answered 'it's a shoe shop, but not a shoe shop for people like you and me'. He could have said to him 'it's a smart shoe shop, but you'll have to save up for some time to buy shoes in there', possibly 'it's a smart shoe shop, but you'll need to do lots of paper rounds to buy your shoes there' or 'it's a smart shoe shop and if you do your best at school and work very hard you might one day be able to buy your shoes in there'. But no, he told his kid it's 'not for you and me', rubbed his nose in his humble background and basically passed on the kind of fatalism that feeds poverty.
Isn't the problem inequality of ambition as opposed to purely economic inequality?Coffee's for closersComment
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Originally posted by Spacecadet View Postmaybe it was a ladies shoe shop, hence not for father and son
Anyway, congratulations to the congregation for meeting all of my expectations by grabbing precisely the wrong end of the stick!
I might move on to calling you all cretins at this rate! (but then that wouldn't be fair as most of you went to inferior state schools)And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014Comment
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Originally posted by DodgyAgent View Post90,000 students left school without basic literacy or numeracy in 2007 alone It might not be enough to make the UK a third world country but parts of the UK are most certainly "third world" such as "The North" .
Originally posted by LisaContractorUmbrella View PostI've had experience of both and although private schools are not perfect they seem to turn out much more well rounded, ambitious, competitive, successful individuals because those are the things that they encourage. State schools these days cannot even identify an individual by name when they are being disruptive, they cannot have winners and being ambitious is seen as something negative.Originally posted by MaryPoppinsI'd still not breastfeed a naziOriginally posted by vetranUrine is quite nourishingComment
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Originally posted by Spacecadet View Postmaybe it was a ladies shoe shop, hence not for father and sonHard Brexit now!
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Originally posted by sasguru View PostNice story but there is another explanation.
Perhaps the father was merely pointing out to his child that the sort of people who bought shoes in that shop were flighty, shallow, pretentious, silly people who paid ridiculous amounts for fashion designer ware.Comment
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Originally posted by Doggy Styles View PostLisa might not have put that the best way, but I know what she means. They engender the self confidence required to go out and be successful off your own bat. A bit like you sas.Comment
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Originally posted by Mich the Tester View PostIsn't the problem inequality of ambition as opposed to purely economic inequality?
I think that there are a lot of interrelated factors that lead both to low educational attainment and low income. I'm certainly not of the opinion that low socioeconomic status is the sole cause of low educational attainment, if anything I think the causal relationship is stronger the other way, but I do think that the overall level of inequality in a society has something to do with it because it correlates strongly with people's general well-being i.e. health, mental health, crime levels and so on.While you're waiting, read the free novel we sent you. It's a Spanish story about a guy named 'Manual.'Comment
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Originally posted by Old Greg View PostPerhaps he was pointing out the lunacy of an economic system that produces luxuries for the few when so many go without the basics.Comment
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