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FTSE 100 Index tracker day trading?

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    #11
    Originally posted by KentPhilip View Post
    There is no such thing as trading "the market" there is only trading the other traders. Who are rather better than you...

    So an amateur/beginner can't buy and sell 'FTSE 100 index' shares, with a view to buying in a dip and selling at a peak over several weeks/months/years?

    As long as you sell higher than you buy (and the FTSE 100 is always going up and down) you can't lose. Even if you have to wait months for the FTSE to recover you can be dripping more money in as it climbs. Only risk is investing just before a major crash that takes years for the FTSE 100 to recover from.

    Is it really much harder than this?
    Feist - 1234. One camera, one take, no editing. Superb. How they did it
    Feist - I Feel It All
    Feist - The Bad In Each Other (Later With Jools Holland)

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      #12
      Is it really much harder than this ?

      Brilliant - You will be rich in no time....

      Yeah, unfortunately it is a lot harder than this but fill your boots, market always needs fresh money coming in.

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        #13
        It's even easier than that.

        Toss a coin, place a buy or sell depending on the coin flip. If you win great. If you lose, switch from buy to sell (or vice versa) and double your lot size. Keep repeating this until you get you money back.

        YOU CAN'T LOSE!


        TRUST ME.

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          #14
          You can get geared exposure (2 x) with SUK2/LUK2. I assume you will know why leveraged ETFs shouldn't be held long term (or at at least won't give the expected results). Trading these can be cheaper than using an SB account sometimes.

          If you basically just want to bet up or down you could consider binaries.

          Whether or not you will make any money doing so is a different matter. Given most SB providers dont underwrite many of their clients positions that might give an idea of the likely flow.

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            #15
            Originally posted by DimPrawn View Post
            It's even easier than that.

            Toss a coin, place a buy or sell depending on the coin flip. If you win great. If you lose, switch from buy to sell (or vice versa) and double your lot size. Keep repeating this until you get you money back.

            YOU CAN'T LOSE!


            TRUST ME.
            That is actually entirely true. Though calculating the probability of running out of money before that strategy comes to fruition ain't so easy.

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              #16
              Originally posted by ASB View Post
              That is actually entirely true. Though calculating the probability of running out of money before that strategy comes to fruition ain't so easy.

              At least there are no goons looking to step in and stop you gambling like there is if you try this at a casino on red or black.

              Or is there?


              Anyway after watching that Money programme on the telly the other night I've decided the easiest way of making money is to sell books and seminars to others looking to make money. One bint had spent £50k trying to work out how to become a millionaire.
              Last edited by PAH; 1 December 2011, 15:18.
              Feist - 1234. One camera, one take, no editing. Superb. How they did it
              Feist - I Feel It All
              Feist - The Bad In Each Other (Later With Jools Holland)

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                #17
                IG Index spread on intraday FTSE and DAX is 1 point during regular market hours (8am to 4:30pm).

                You need a statistical model/edge for predicting price behaviour, you also need solid risk management, and you need a large enough bank roll. You also need extreme discipline and emotional detachment because a large percentage of your trades will lose money.

                Best left to the experts (like me) who trade the Index futures with automated software that handles all the above effortlessly
                Last edited by Iron Condor; 1 December 2011, 15:28.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by Iron Condor View Post
                  IG Index spread on intraday FTSE and DAX is 1 point during regular market hours (8am to 4:30pm).

                  You need a statistical model/edge for predicting price behaviour, you also need solid risk management, and you need a large enough bank roll. You also need extreme discipline and emotional detachment because a large percentage of your trades will lose money.

                  Best left to the experts who trade the Index futures with automated software that handles all the above effortlessly.
                  Are these the same experts requiring £1trn in bailouts?

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by doodab View Post
                    You would probably be better off spread betting than trading an ETF.
                    WHS if you want to day trade, you just get a small spread. Watch out for direction changes during the day though, especially with all the EU stuff going on at the moment. It's quite common for equities to rally in the morning then NY come on at 12:00-2:30 PM and it all changes direction.

                    Open a demo account with someone and paper trade for a few months until you're consistently making a profit. Then when you go live use a sensible position sizing method and use stop losses to cut your losses short.

                    Simples
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