Scotlands 40 Billion Financial Black Hole

[TimberWolf]

We probably wouldn't get as many Labour governments voted in if Scotland and Wales went.

[Churchill]

If that's the case, is there some border check or immigration regulation that prevents English people moving to Scotland and enjoying the same benefits?

Nope. Of course not. That is not the issue.

My point is that if Scotland were to gain independence it would suddenly find itself with a rather large hole in its finances.

[Mich the Tester]

Belonging is not a meaningful term, the law with which the water is governed is of more relevance and who controls that water.



It's not certain fiscal independence would lead to Scotland controlling the north sea. Besides England has the finical wizards in the city so don't fret.

It's Scotland's oil - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Alright being rich, but it's nice to have some freedoms too.

A few countries that depend on oil revenues;

Saudi Arabia
Russia
Nigeria
Venezuela
Libya


A few countries that depend on revenues from trade in business services, goods and/or raw materials;
UK
Netherlands
Belgium
Luxembourg
Switzerland


Dependence on oil and love of liberty don't mix. I know which club I'd rather join.

And yes, there's a causal link to do with government being so dependent on one revenue stream that it sells out to the people who control that revenue stream (also a danger with financial services, but not for more diverse economies).

[TimberWolf]

Most of our Prime Minsters are Scottish. Brown, Blair, Cameron.

[scooterscot]

My point is that if Scotland were to gain independence it would suddenly find itself with a rather large hole in its finances.

I'm reminded of an agent calling me on the last day of a contract enticing me to stay through the horror of what awaits if I go.

Why is that?

Needless to say he who dares wins, and so it was.

[doodab]

Most of our Prime Minsters are Scottish. Brown, Blair, Cameron.

That's the best argument for Scottish independence I've yet seen.

[TestMangler]

Nope. Of course not. That is not the issue.

My point is that if Scotland were to gain independence it would suddenly find itself with a rather large hole in its finances.

Yup, and English austerity has kept us afloat, hasn't it.

England, on it's own, wouldn't have a hole in it's finances then ?

[doodab]

England, on it's own, wouldn't have a hole in it's finances then ?

Well, we wouldn't have had a succession of Scottish ne'er do wells cocking up the public finances, so probably not. And let's not forget it was the Royal bank of Scotland that had the biggest problems during the recent oops.

[Mich the Tester]

My people, listen carefully, dis is very important, I am your King, and I will deliver you from dah evil British Empire!



All will be well as long as you have no opinion! If you have any queries, please contact me and I will cut off your head and put it in dah freezer next to dah frozen peas!

[wim121]

I note with interest that you didn't tell him he's wrong...

Technically it isnt wrong, but I acknowledge I could have put it more diplomatically ....

I don't see the point of arguing; it's not as if the statements are rational enough to deserve that. For the record though, personally I see Scottish people just as anyone else and treat them as they treat me, which is generally fine. I quite like Glasgow too (parts of it).

They are rational so please feel free to debate them. I can search and find figures showing how Scotland receives more social funding per head on adults and minors than other countries in the united kingdom if you like?

Anyway you liked glasgow? Im genuinly asking as I find that surprising. I found it very run down. Even pulling in to the train station, made me feel like a bear in a former soviet country. I found it very dirty/smoggy/hazy as well. The square (st andrews or whatever, IIRC?) is quite nice, but the rest just depressed me beyond belief. I dont mean offense by that, just the honest way I felt there ....

I enjoyed london more which is quite odd as in london; if you even say hello to someone or treat them as a human, they look at you like a scared deer or as if you've made some horribly inappropriate remark.