Scotlands 40 Billion Financial Black Hole

[wim121]

65 million people in England and Wales, <5 million in Scotland. I make that 1/13th therefore £55 billion.

£55 billion over 30 years £1.8, pah pocket change. Annual revenue generated alone from oil and gas is in excess of £20 billion.

The problem in that estimate is you incorrectly assume, that debt, employment and spending per person, is equally split. That is a retarded assumption.

It is well known that many areas in Scotland, such as the dump glasgow, which even cockroaches refuse to inhabit, has some of the highest welfare claiming rates across the country with around 80%-90% on welfare.

Then we have to take in to account that Scots are like greedy leeches. They protest and get preferrential treatment over other in the UK. Look at the lack of prescription charging, right down to children getting double the funding in school canteens. It all adds up.

The only part Im shocked at, is it isnt more than £40b .... We all know how foolish the Scots are with money management, that is the whole reason why they are part of the UK. (If anyone cares about history, they will know that the Scots came begging to the English when they bankrupt themselves, after thinking it would be a great idea to dig the panama canal wearing wigs and kilts while getting drunk.)


I would be delighted for the Scots to gain independence and finally cut the apron strings so English people, for once would be entitled to less racist treatment from their own government. I would happily volunteer to brick up Hadrians wall.

However, the pressing issue first, is scotland cannot gain independence as the agreement admitting them to the UK was to make their country solvent, which the english did at great expense. The Scots still owe that money and with inflation, it is far more than just a few billion. Once they pay that back, they are free to go, but until they do, they are bound to be part of the UK legally.

[Mich the Tester]

Er nope, the "Now is not the time!" card will be played.

[wim121]

13/1 - not very good odds for the English is it?

History show's only America was stupid enough to kill the greatest number of it's own people through civil war.

Stupid, America? Yes I heard it, but my point remains ....

The civil war in the US was a great ideal. People died, but that wouldnt be such a bad thing in an overpopulated modern day UK. Civil reform ensured rights for all ethnicities in the US and united a whole country divided by slavery and land ownership, hence voting rights.

[Mich the Tester]

The problem in that estimate is you incorrectly assume, that debt, employment and spending per person, is equally split. That is a retarded assumption.

It is well known that many areas in Scotland, such as the dump glasgow, which even cockroaches refuse to inhabit, has some of the highest welfare claiming rates across the country with around 80%-90% on welfare.

Then we have to take in to account that Scots are like greedy leeches. They protest and get preferrential treatment over other in the UK. Look at the lack of prescription charging, right down to children getting double the funding in school canteens. It all adds up.

Steady on, no need for this.

[Churchill]

Steady on, no need for this.

I note with interest that you didn't tell him he's wrong...

[Mich the Tester]

I note with interest that you didn't tell him he's wrong...

I don't see the point of arguing; it's not as if the statements are rational enough to deserve that. For the record though, personally I see Scottish people just as anyone else and treat them as they treat me, which is generally fine. I quite like Glasgow too (parts of it).

[BoredBloke]

Are they not in International waters? The whole thing was divided up amongst the nearest countries. So the Northern section is split mainly between the UK and Denmark. As was said before, if Scotland decided to leave the UK then it does not mean that these previous agreements need to be ammended. I'd say let Scotland leave the UK and divert those big fat pipes before they get to Sullom Voe.

[Churchill]

I don't see the point of arguing; it's not as if the statements are rational enough to deserve that. For the record though, personally I see Scottish people just as anyone else and treat them as they treat me, which is generally fine. I quite like Glasgow too (parts of it).

Alex Salmond will never succeed in gaining independence, it doesn't matter how long he stays in power or however many votes he garners with his "All our woes are because of the English" rhetoric.

Scotland has a pretty sweet deal at the moment, at the expense of the English I might add.

[Mich the Tester]

Alex Salmond will never succeed in gaining independence, it doesn't matter how long he stays in power or however many votes he garners with his "All our woes are because of the English" rhetoric.

Scotland has a pretty sweet deal at the moment, at the expense of the English I might add.

If that's the case, is there some border check or immigration regulation that prevents English people moving to Scotland and enjoying the same benefits?

[scooterscot]

Are they not in International waters?

Belonging is not a meaningful term, the law with which the water is governed is of more relevance and who controls that water.

The Continental Shelf Act 1964 and the Continental Shelf (Jurisdiction) Order 1968 defines the UK North Sea maritime area to the north of latitude 55 degrees north as being under the jurisdiction of Scots law[6] meaning that 90% of the UK's oil resources were under Scottish jurisdiction.[7][8]

It's not certain fiscal independence would lead to Scotland controlling the north sea. Besides England has the finical wizards in the city so don't fret.

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