England V Scotland

[shaunbhoy]

Actually Edwards campaign against the Scots was in response to attack by the Scots on Carlisle.... would that do?

I would suggest that you read up on your history, as it might make you look like less of an arse. But presenting yourself thus seems to be something that you excel at, which it would appear reading up on events is not.

HTH

[TiroFijo]

Actually Edwards campaign against the Scots was in response to attack by the Scots on Carlisle.... would that do?

Which I'm sure would have been in response to attacks (note the plural) in Scotland; erm lets not forget that it was England that were the original invaders/aggressors. Us Scots were quite happily 'growing up' as you like to put it until the English decided to invade umpteen times... Anything the Scots did to the English was in response to some aggression committed against them.

I'm sure if I came round and trashed your house then you would feel justified in punching my lights out!

[shaunbhoy]

I'm sure if I came round and trashed your house then you would feel justified in punching my lights out!

Except he wouldn't be able to because he is, truth be told, simply an anonymous EDL-supporting keyboard warrior.

[Troll]

Which I'm sure would have been in response to attacks (note the plural) in Scotland; erm lets not forget that it was England that were the original invaders/aggressors. Us Scots were quite happily 'growing up' as you like to put it until the English decided to invade umpteen times... Anything the Scots did to the English was in response to some aggression committed against them.

I'm sure if I came round and trashed your house then you would feel justified in punching my lights out!

The relationship between the nations of England and Scotland by the 1280s was one of relatively harmonious coexistence.
In 1278 King Alexander III of Scotland paid homage to Edward I, but apparently only for the lands he held of Edward in England.
Problems arose only with the Scottish succession crisis of the early 1290s. In the years from 1281 to 1284, Alexander's two sons and one daughter died in quick succession. Then, in 1286, King Alexander died himself, leaving as heir to the throne of Scotland the three-year-old Margaret, the Maid of Norway, who was born in 1283 to Alexander's daughter Margaret and King Eric II of Norway. By the Treaty of Birgham, it was agreed that Margaret should marry King Edward's then one-year-old son Edward of Carnarvon, though Scotland would remain free of English overlordship.

Margaret, by now seven years of age, sailed from Norway for Scotland in the autumn of 1290, but fell ill on the way and died in Orkney. This left the country without an obvious heir, and led to the succession dispute known to history as the Great Cause.
Even though as many as fourteen claimants put forward their claims to the title, the real contest was between John Balliol and Robert de Brus.
The Scottish magnates made a request to Edward to arbitrate in the dispute.At Birgham, with the prospect of a personal union between the two realms, the question of suzerainty had not been of great importance to Edward. Now he insisted that, if he were to settle the contest, he had to be fully recognised as Scotland's feudal overlord. The Scots were reluctant to make such a concession, and replied that since the country had no king, no one had the authority to make this decision.
This problem was circumvented when the competitors agreed that the realm would be handed over to Edward until a rightful heir had been found. After a lengthy hearing, a decision was made in favour of John Balliol on 17 November 1292

Edward agreed to hear appeals on cases ruled on by the court of guardians that had governed Scotland during the interregnum. As a result of a case brought by Macduff, son of Malcolm, Earl of Fife, in which Edward demanded that Balliol appear in person before the English Parliament to answer the charges.
This he did, but the demand that the Scottish magnates provide military service in the war against France was unacceptable; the Scots instead formed an alliance with France and launched an unsuccessful attack on Carlisle. Edward responded by invading Scotland in 1296 and taking the town of Berwick in a particularly bloody attack. At the Battle of Dunbar, Scottish resistance was effectively crushed. Edward confiscated the Stone of Destiny – the Scottish coronation stone – and brought it to Westminster, & deposed Balliol

For the clinically stupid amongst you (you paying attention Shaunbhoy?)I have highlighted some salient bits which may fill in missing parts of your History education

Also can you state if by "Us Scots" whether this means the pre or post invasion by the Irish Scoti tribe in the 5th century, the original Pict tribes, or those that were left behind after the Highland clearances and migration to the Americas of the 18th & 19th centuries?

PS & especially for SB - Braveheart was factually incorrect & Mel is not really suitable pot noodling material

HTH

[TestMangler]

PS & especially for SB - Braveheart was factually incorrect & Mel is not really suitable pot noodling material

HTH

Yeah, but playing the part of a Jock obviously had an effect on him. Look at him now, he's an alcoholic racist !






(C)Frankie Boyle

[minestrone]

In the middle of the 18th Century Scotland and England were just done with the whole border war stuff. Whilst Bonnie Prince Charlie was running about with yon kilt charging down to Derby for a fight Smith and Watt were on the step of redefining the world.

[minestrone]

It reminds me of Watt's famous quote "'I am heartsick of this accursed country"

[shaunbhoy]

I have highlighted some salient bits from the particular version of History that I have chosen to adopt, in order that it fully aligns itself with my racist perspective.

FTFY

And I suppose the same "Longshanks" was just "arbitrating" over Wales when he moved in there too, was he?

[d000hg]

Scottish history? Isn't that one of the few things less interesting than Scottish present?

[Churchill]

We're too sh!t to beat you but we'll laugh when someone else does!

Spoken like a true Scot.