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    #11
    In every try/catch I've found the following from an outsourced project

    Code:
    System.exit();
    so when anyone of the 70,000 users got an error they were all booted off the system upsetting the customers somewhat.

    To add insult to injury database connections were opened and never closed meaning the web server was constantly being rebooted everyday to cope.

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      #12
      Why are there no Daleks posting on this thread?

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        #13
        Bfg

        25 people switched from other work to support for 2 weeks to sort out a delivery of just 15 programs. LOADS of extra contractor income, thank you so much offshore development team and offshore testing team.

        Original estimate was approx 3 man days each or 45 days, it took 250 man days to sort out the programs and the mess they made of the database.

        If any senior manager or accountant is reading this who thinks it is cheaper to pay a numpty from wherever to build it and then get someone else to fix it, you are 100% correct and to be encouraged.

        KERCHING.

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          #14
          How sad that this knowledge i.e. outsourcing is crap will not get anywhere near the ears of people who matter - because none of you have the desire to become senior managers.
          That being the case you can hardly complain when the numpties who know zilch about anything, outsource.
          Hard Brexit now!
          #prayfornodeal

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            #15
            Originally posted by sasguru
            How sad that this knowledge i.e. outsourcing is crap will not get anywhere near the ears of people who matter
            They know.
            They don't care.


            I am sure that this event will be reported as 45*(onshore cost - offshore cost) savings with never a mention of the 250 days extra onshore cost, that's a different budget. Someone will get a nice little tick in the box towards their multi-million pound bonus and the share price will creep a little higher on the back of the great cost savings being made.

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              #16
              There's a vast difference between a MacDonalds manager and a CEO. The McD manager is measured on his performance constantly by the owner looking at the till receipts, the CEO is measured on his performance by looking at the till receipts and telling the owner.

              HTH

              Insanity: repeating the same actions, but expecting different results.
              threadeds website, and here's my blog.

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                #17
                According to Computing Weekly, outsourcing can work, but only if a lot of effort is put into managing the work, in which case the costs are not much less than doing it in the UK. My last client had some success with outsourcing, but some projects were outsourced and then brought back.

                My own experience of Indian developers supplied by Indian body shops is that quality is variable. The best are excellent, but many are poor. The ideal is for the client to hire directly, by setting up an office in India (Bangalore say). Then they get to hire the best, and cut out the parasites i.e. Indian management and shareholders.

                From what I heard the engineers supplied by an Indian body shop cost about the same as a UK employee, but without the employment overheads (sick pay, BUPA, pension, redundancy payments etc). In other words they are contractors, but at permie salaries with no overheads.

                The main concern of permies at my last client was that they were off-shoring expertise, and losing control of the work. Presumably TCS et al will be working their way up the food chain and will before long produce product directly.

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                  #18
                  Reasons not to offshore development:

                  1) They are moving here anyway. To Barking apparently.
                  Vieze Oude Man

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                    #19
                    It also helps when all the comments in the code are in Chinese I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw that...

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                      #20
                      They already have

                      The main concern of permies at my last client was that they were off-shoring expertise, and losing control of the work. Presumably TCS et al will be working their way up the food chain and will before long produce product directly.

                      They are already producing single point solutions, occasionally rather well. Unfortunately until they overtake General Motors or Microsoft all the suits will just laugh at them and think they are exploiting them, a bit like the Thai's, Chinese and Japanese. Sad really, Rover or Walkman anyone?
                      "If you didn't do anything that wasn't good for you it would be a very dull life. What are you gonna do? Everything that is pleasant in life is dangerous."

                      I want to see the hand of history on his collar.

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