Independent Scotland

[Incognito]

I didnt see any jocks at Roarkes Drift boyo

Ahem.

Of the 122 soldiers of the 24th Regiment present at the Battle of Rorke's Drift, 49 are known to have been of English nationality, 32 were Welsh, 16 were Irish, 1 was a Scot, and 3 were born overseas.

Battle of Rorke's Drift - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[EternalOptimist]

Ahem.



Battle of Rorke's Drift - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

ok thats convinced me. Independance for Scotland

[Ignis Fatuus]

Are there official figures whether Scotland is a net gain or loss to the economy? Obvious things like whisky aside, it's very rural which suggests high costs for public services, etc?

Does the data exist in a form that is actually useful?

Yes, but it's classified. That may suggest something about what it says.

The McCrone report of 1974 was classified Top Secret because it would have given away to the Scots just how much better off they would have been independent. It was ferreted out under FOI 30 years later. I am stunned that the Scots are seemingly still not incensed by the fact that it was buried, to stop them from being tempted to vote for independence.

At the time it was uncovered, Alex Salmond commented:

I was astonished by how direct the paper was, and appalled at the extent of what has been hidden from the people. McCrone was saying that an independent Scotland would be Europe's Switzerland. The Labour party were saying that it would be like Bangladesh.

Amazingly, some people are still saying that.

[doodab]

I was astonished by how direct the paper was, and appalled at the extent of what has been hidden from the people. McCrone was saying that an independent Scotland would be Europe's Switzerland. The Labour party were saying that it would be like Bangladesh.

Do they teach geography in Scottish schools?

[Ignis Fatuus]

Do they teach geography in Scottish schools?

Yes. Do they teach English in English schools? That is the figure of speech known as "metaphor".

[Incognito]

Yes. Do they teach English in English schools? That is the figure of speech known as "metaphor".

I believe English is around about sixth on language choices at English schools. After Urdu, Pashtun, Gujarati, Swahili and Patois.

[doodab]

Yes. Do they teach English in English schools? That is the figure of speech known as "metaphor".

No it isn't. If he had said "Europe's Bangladesh" or "Europe's Texas" it would be a metaphor, but as Switzerland is slap bang in the middle of ******* Europe I'm afraid it's just the figure of speech known as "an idiot talking bollocks"

Feel free to post some more examples of things you don't understand so I can help you with them. It's not like I have a lot of work on at the moment.

[Incognito]

Feel free to post some more examples of things you don't understand so I can help you with them. It's not like I have a lot of work on at the moment.

Perhaps you should consider the statement in its full context and consider what the discussion is regarding before placing foot to mouth.

I'll give you a little clue, below is a map signifying the EU, commonly referred to as Europe in political circles (rightly or wrongly).

What do you think the little grey bit surrounded by all the green is on the map around about where Switzerland lies?

[Mich the Tester]

What always strikes me about discussions around Scots or Welsh independence is how many people go on about the economic contribution of various parts of the UK, which vary through the years anyway. At times in the past, different regions have contributed different economic factors to the economy; Wales produced coal and steel for a long time, Scotland produced ships, England produced business skills etc. In ten years time, things may be different and we really don't know which region will be contributing more or less. Anyway is that really all that matters? Are people to be valued purely by their economic contribution to the whole or shouldn't people be viewed in a more rounded way, for their cultural, artistic, sporting or social contribution?

Sometimes I think the whole 'homo economicus' thing goes a bit too far. There are other values that are important.

[russell]

What always strikes me about discussions around Scots or Welsh independence is how many people go on about the economic contribution of various parts of the UK, which vary through the years anyway. At times in the past, different regions have contributed different economic factors to the economy; Wales produced coal and steel for a long time, Scotland produced ships, England produced business skills etc. In ten years time, things may be different and we really don't know which region will be contributing more or less. Anyway is that really all that matters? Are people to be valued purely by their economic contribution to the whole or shouldn't people be viewed in a more rounded way, for their cultural, artistic, sporting or social contribution?

Sometimes I think the whole 'homo economicus' thing goes a bit too far. There are other values that are important.

Nah its all about the money.