The Legislative and Regulatory Reform Bill

[Xenophon]

Aye X

Well kind of you to say, but surely Im only saying what everybody is thinking,if they do take me alive then maybe I will be in the same dorm as you in the NL detention camp.

There you go man, keep as cool as you can.
Face piles
And piles
Of trials
With smiles.
It riles them to believe
That you perceive
The web they weave
And keep on thinking free.

Legend.

[AlfredJPruffock]

but falls somewhat short of dictatorship, but it is nevertheless quite worrying particularly in the light of the flurry of new, restrictive and ill-conceived legislation which has been making its way through Parliament since the last election and I have been worrying about what this is all supposed to achieve exactly.

Interesting observation.

We recall that the Nazis took control of the Judicary as a prerequisite to creating a Totalitarian society.

The recent flurry of UK legislation, perhaps ill planned, but certainly draconian in its nature,does bear a remarkable resemblance to the Nazi manipulation of the Judical system.

The coup de grace then was the staged burning of the Reichstag, an act of terror blamed on a communist, but in fact it was the Nazis themselves who executed the event to justify the Enabling Laws and eliminate Political Oppostion thus moving Germany towards Totalitarianism.

[DimPrawn]

[AlfredJPruffock]

The movement has from its beginning acted in that way to master the many crises it faced and overcame.

The National Socialist state also acted decisively when faced by a threat.

We are not like the ostrich that sticks its head in the sand so as not to see danger.

We are brave enough to look danger in the face, to coolly and ruthlessly take its measure, then act decisively with our heads held high. Both as a movement and as a nation, we have always been at our best when we needed fanatic, determined wills to overcome and eliminate danger, or a strength of character sufficient to overcome every obstacle, or bitter determination to reach our goal, or an iron heart capable of withstanding every internal and external battle.

So it will be today

J Goebels

[xoggoth]

AND a Moody Blues fan to boot!

[AlfredJPruffock]

AND a Moody Blues fan to boot!

Whats wrong with the Bloody Mues then , shurelly shome mistake ...

[zathras]

took control of the Judicary

Has n't New Labour already done that via the Department for Constitional Affairs

[AlfredJPruffock]

Has n't New Labour already done that via the <a href="http://www.dca.gov.uk/thelegalsystem.htm" target="_blank">Department for Constitional Affairs</a>

There remains outposts of resistance, this Act, under the guise of increasing competiveness (!) will ensure the Lights Of Britain are fully extinguished.

You are to remain calm and continue to watch the State Television channels, do not be alarmed should your colleauges friends or family suddenly dissapear,rather be thankful it is them not you.

I am destined to rule
And regulate you

I may be vile and pernicious
But you can’t look away
I make you think I’m delicious
With the stuff that I say

You will obey me while I lead you
And eat the garbage that I feed you
Until the day that we don’t need you
Don’t got for help...no one will heed you

Your mind is totally controlled
It has been stuffed into my mold
And you will do as you are told
Until the rights to you are sold

That’s right, folks..
Don’t touch that dial

[OwlHoot]

A lot of bloggers have got quite excited about this, some have compared it to Hitler's Enabling Act of 1933 and dubbed it the Abolition of Parliament Bill, but I think they are exaggerating the issue somewhat (Nazi analogies are horribly overused these days). I would say this is more comparable with Henry VIII's control of Parliament as it gives them considerable expedient empowerment but falls somewhat short of dictatorship

It sounds very similar to Henry VIII's Statute of Proclamations, 1539, apart from the quaint language and preoccupation with the Church:

An act that proclamations made by the king shall be obeyed. Forasmuch as the king's most royal majesty, for divers considerations, by the advice of his council hath heretofore set forth divers and sundry his grace's proclamations, as well for and concerning divers and sundry articles of Christ's religion as for an unity and concord to be had amongst the loving and obedient subjects of this his realm and other his dominions, and also concerning the advancement of his commonwealth and good quiet of his people (which nevertheless divers and many froward, wilful, and obstinate persons have wilfully contemned and broken, not considering what a king by his royal power may do, and for lack of a direct statute and law to coerce offenders to obey the said proclamations ...); considering also that sudden causes and occasions fortune many times which do require speedy remedies, and that by abiding for a parliament in the meantime might happen great prejudice to ensue to the realm; and weighing also that his majesty, which by the kingly and regal power given him by God may do many things in such cases, should not be driven to extend the liberty and supremacy of his regal power and dignity by wilfulness of froward subjects: it is therefore thought in manner more than necessary that the king's highness of this realm for the time being, with the advice of his honourable council, should make and set forth proclamations for the good and politic order and governance of this his realm of England, Wales, and other his dominions, from time to time for the defence of his regal dignity and the advancement of his commonwealth and good quiet of his people, as the cases of necessity shall require; and that an ordinary law should be provided, by the assent of his majesty and parliament, for the due punishment, correction, and reformation of such offences and disobediences. Be it therefore enacted ... that always the king for the time being, with the advice of his honourable council, whose names hereafter followeth, or with the advice of the more part of them, may set forth at all times by authority of this act his proclamations, under such penalties and pains and of such sort as to his highness and his said honourable council or the more part of them shall see[m] necessary and requisite; and that those same shall be obeyed, observed, and kept as though they were made by act of parliament for the time in them limited, unless the king's highness dispense with them or any of them under his great seal...

I wonder how long it will be before the Government start whittling away at the principle of private residential property ownership, for example under the pretext that so many young couples can no longer afford somewhere large enough to raise a family, or that inherited property is unfair on those who don't.

Maybe they could resurrect another Henry VIII special, the Statute of Uses, 1530, in which he sought to abolish mortgages and private property inheritance and return England to feudal days when property could be dished out and reallocated only by the King. (This law and the Statute of Proclamations were repealed soon after the old tyrant's death.):

Where, by the common laws of this realm, lands, tenements, and hereditaments be not devisable by testament, nor ought to be transferred from one to another but by solemn livery and seisin ... , yet, nevertheless, divers and sundry imaginations, subtle inventions, and practices have been used whereby the hereditaments of this realm have been conveyed from one to another by fraudulent feoffments, fines, recoveries, and other assurances craftily made to secret uses, intents, and trusts, and also by wills and testaments sometime made by ... words, sometime by signs and tokens, and sometime by writing ...; for the extirping and extinguishment of all such ... , and to the intent that the king's highness or any other his subjects of this realm shall not in any wise hereafter ... be deceived, damaged, or hurt by reason of such trusts, uses, or confidences ...: it may please the king's most royal majesty that it may be enacted by his highness, by the assent of the lords spiritual and temporal and the commons in this present parliament assembled, and by authority of the same ... , that, where any person or persons stand or be seised or at any time hereafter shall happen to be seised of and in any honours, castles, manors, lands, tenements, rents, services, reversions, remainders, or other hereditaments, to the use, confidence, or trust of any other person or persons, or of any body politic, by reason of any bargain, sale, feoffment, fine, recovery, covenant, contract, agreement, will, or otherwise ... , in every such case all and every such person and persons and bodies politic ... shall from henceforth stand and be seised, deemed, and adjudged in lawful seisin, estate, and possession of and in the same honours [etc.] ... to all intents, constructions, and purposes in the law ...; and that the estate, right, title, and possession that was in such person or persons that were or shall be hereafter seised of any lands, tenements, or hereditaments to the use, confidence, or trust of any such person or persons, or of any body politic, be from henceforth clearly deemed and adjudged to be in him or them that have or hereafter shall have such use, confidence, or trust....

Perhaps the planned council tax revaluations, with officials photographing each room of private dwellings, will soon end up being put to some purpose like this, even if I'm not quite paranoid enough to believe it is planned already - You heard it here first!

[The Lone Gunman]

I dont actualy see NL as a Nazi party, I do think they have the best intentions as they see them.

Their problem is the unintended consequences game. All the people mentioned above who introduced these kinds of laws did it to further their own drive for total power. I dont think NL are like that.
They dont seem to realise that somewhere in the future they are not going to be in power and this kind of legislation leaves a wide open door for a less democratic party (or individual) to ride rough shod over the opposition.

They are creating a stage which the likes of Hitler had to manufacture for themselves.