Are England FIFA bid whoever team the biggest sore losers the world has seen?

[shaunbhoy]

I have no doubt that the English Bid was technically the best one and would have stood a great chance of delivering a World Cup that could have been financially very lucrative.
I also have little doubt that within the FIFA set-up there are some murky shenanigans going on that involve third world country delegates.
Similarly, I feel that the Russians made a very strong case in pointing out that Eastern Europe has thus far staged 0 World Cups compared to Western Europe's total of 10, a total which is higher than all of the other venues put together.
I doubt the full story will ever come out, so time to move on and stop carping on about it. It is getting a bit tedious really and slightly embarrassing if truth be told. It is not as if they have actually caught someone out actually lying!!!

[d000hg]

Not winning is no surprise, as Shaun mentions the idea of "The first E. European World Cup" is quite compelling like the one in Africa was. The sheer number of votes we didn't get does seem farcical though, because it's only common sense that we have great facilities as a country which is so passionate about the game.

[AtW]

It is common knowledge in Russia that Russians' "Premier League" games are bought and sold, including top spot.

On reflection I think personal bribes may have played lesser role than most people think - FIFA just wants to have super event like Olympics, and only countries like Russia, China, Qatar and a few more would be prepared to spend THAT much money on this show.

So yes those events were most certainly bought - neither Russia nor Qatar would have ever gotten the event without massive petro dollars - every time you refuel your car, or turn on gas oven you'll be financing World Cups in those countries as well as purchases of EPL clubs.

I guess the West did not win Cold War after all.

[AtW]

"The first E. European World Cup" is quite compelling

And why not run it somewhere in Poland which is pretty much Eastern Europe and massive investment would help European countries being better connected? The sad reality is that the only reason Russia/Qatar got World Cups was due to massive amount of cash they have to squander on those events - no sane Western country could afford such a bill. Well, it will pay it anyway via higher fuel prices.

[Mr.Whippy]

And why not run it somewhere in Poland

Because they are hosting Euro 2012 (albeit jointly with Ukraine).

[AtW]

Because they are hosting Euro 2012 (albeit jointly with Ukraine).

And wtf euro 2012 got to do with World Cup that has never been in Eastern Europe? Euro cup is local Euro affair that is none of FIFA business.

You might as well say England should not get World Cup 2018 because it hosts Olympics 2012.

[AtW]

Because they are hosting Euro 2012 (albeit jointly with Ukraine).

oh btw - if Euro cup plays any role in this then Eastern Europe (which wrongly includes Russia) already hosts is (in Poland) so it should be overlooked.

It's all about money - Russia's press estimates that costs of World Cup 2018 will be in region of $30-40 bln ffs - there are no fooking roads, no fooking hotels, no fooking stadiums, no fooking security - there isn't even guarantee that oil prices will remain high by 2018.

My prediction is therefore as follows:

1. Oil price collapses in 2016 thanks to USA's investment into new technology

2. Russians rebel in late 2017 and overthrow corrupt Soviet regime - Mr A.......ch asks for political asylum in Britain.

3. Corrupt FIFA members (some in retirement) arrested and jailed in the Tower.

4. World Cup 2018 is moved to England that should have had it in the first place.

Remember - you heard it on here first.

[Mr.Whippy]

And wtf euro 2012 got to do with World Cup that has never been in Eastern Europe? Euro cup is local Euro affair that is none of FIFA business.

Because they are both major football tournaments? So having both in the same location within 6 years just wouldn't happen

You might as well say England should not get World Cup 2018 because it hosts Olympics 2012.

They're two different types of event, something completely different.

[Mr.Whippy]

there are no fooking roads, no fooking hotels, no fooking stadiums, no fooking security

Yeah, what a fantastic place to host it.....

Personally I was hoping for Spain & Portugal to win, so I could have a month long holiday over there rather than having to go to poxy Russia

[AtW]

Because they are both major football tournaments?

If Poland and Russia are both Eastern Europe, then Eastern Europe as a whole hosts major football event and neither should get World Cup for a long time.

Russia agreed to do ridiculous things money wise to host World Cup - no sane Western country would agree to it, yet it is the West which would pay for all that stuff via higher prices of oil and gas.

It's ironic really - British taxpayers will pay up in full for World Cups in 2018 and 2022.

I won't speak about Qatar, but I'd advise anybody who considers going to Russia to see world cup to stay at home and watch it on TV.