Rendition flights

[Mailman]

Clearly. It's sad that the government of the US seem to see US consitutional protections more as troublesome restrictions than as a guide to how government should work. Evidence that the constituional limits are needed.

Or perhaps changed, given the extraordinary situation we find ourselves in these days with regards to terrorism.

Mailman

[AtW]

Or perhaps changed, given the extraordinary situation we find ourselves in these days with regards to terrorism.

Ok, so lets change laws to allow torture - but this is already happening, the only thing you would achieve is some savings on having to fly POWs around the world - but what about results? 5 (!) years on and Bin Laden is still not found!

[vista]

torture

Its funny how the left-wing scum-sucking-vile-pieces-of-tulipe always use the same boring flawed mantra "torture is not reliable" hor$esh!t" when lots of torture goes on, now if torture was unreliable then why has it survived for thousands of years? Could it be because it does work and is more reliable than the evil-scum-sucking-left-wing-baby-murdering-kiddie-fiddlers would have us believe? and the only reason they object is that they don't have the stones to do whats required and would rather 1,000 innocents die to ptrotect their black-as-coal-souls than they be responsible for a single death?

[AtW]

if torture was unreliable then why has it survived for thousands of years?

Because some scumbags love to inflice pain on defenceless people.

[vista]

Ok, so lets change laws to allow torture - but this is already happening, the only thing you would achieve is some savings on having to fly POWs around the world - but what about results? 5 (!) years on and Bin Laden is still not found!

Bin Laden survives because western society won't do whats required, we are constrained by weak willed left-wing pieces of sh1te - wipe out all muslim life then terrorism wouldn't be a problem but we can't do that can we? - genocide the only way to be completely safe.

[AtW]

wipe out all muslim life then terrorism wouldn't be a problem but we can't do that can we? - genocide the only way to be completely safe.

I don't mind genocide so long as its applied exclusively to people who advocate it. In your case I'd agree to some torture first.

[Fungus]

Because some scumbags love to inflice pain on defenceless people.

Although torture might get some information out, much of the information is unreliable, as victims tend to say what the torturer wants to hear. And then there is the question of the reliability of the evidence against the person. Several Israeli agents were imprisoned in Norway for murdering an innocent man who was supposedly a terrorist. That is one of the few cases where a Mossad agent was caught. I wonder how many more innocents were murdered? That's why I am with few exceptions opposed to torture and killing without trial. The Israelis seemed to have had more success by bribing Palestinians, rather than torturing them. One PLO representative was maimed by a bomb that had been examined and marked "safe" by his office because most of the office staff were on the Israeli payroll. Similarly the British secret services destroyed the IRA not with torture or murder, but by infiltrating the organisation. If someone is guilty of premeditated murder, then I couldn't care less if he is tortured and then killed.

The real problem is that the Western intelligence agencies and governments missed the boat with Al-Qaida and then overreacted in a knee jerk reaction to make it look like they were doing something and cover up their tulip poor intelligence prior to 9/11.

However, were someone to take the current cabinet to a secret location, and then strap each one down, I would be more than happily do my best to improve my torture skills. I am confident that I could develop some very creative and effective new methods. Necessity is the mother of invention.

[Spartacus]

Bin Laden survives because western society won't do whats required, we are constrained by weak willed left-wing pieces of sh1te - wipe out all muslim life then terrorism wouldn't be a problem but we can't do that can we? - genocide the only way to be completely safe.

Vista is Chico and I claim my thirty pieces of silver.

[AtW]

If someone is guilty of premeditated murder, then I couldn't care less if he is tortured and then killed.

And who decides on guilt - secret military tribunals who examine classified evidence that even the accuted can't look at?

[Gunnery Sergeant Highway]

And who decides on guilt - secret military tribunals who examine classified evidence that even the accuted can't look at?

Seems fair to me. After all, they're the bad guys.