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[AtW]

Arsène Wenger is a good manager but like Ferguson he is involved with one club for too long to switch.

[AtW]

Alexei, a good club manager is not necessarily a good national manager.

Was Sven a good club manager? I mean, is Sweden the country known for its football?

I was not following English team before Sven, so perhaps he is SOOO much better than his predecessors, but IMO, he is not manager who can fight and win the top award unless he is lucky, which is something he bets on even though he can't lose anyway - just what kind of a contract is that? In competitive game there are winners and losers, and the manager should share loss as well as victory.

[wendigo100]

Would you agree that its the #1 place - World Champions - that really matters, everything else - 2nd, 3rd or 8th are all crap, especially 2nd because its most annoying to fail just at the last stage?

For England, yes. And for six or seven other countries too.

But if you judge in extremis like that, seven good coaches would be sacked every two years, simply because they could not all win the tournament.

[Paco]

Was Sven a good club manager?

Yes, but in Italy not Sweden.

but like Ferguson he is involved with one club for too long to switch

WTF has that got to do with anything?

BTW, what makes you think that the FA are in a position to make Mourinho an 'offer he can't refuse' in preference to his current employer, your cuddly compatriot?

[AtW]

But if you judge in extremis like that, seven good coaches would be sacked every two years, simply because they could not all win the tournament.

I think its a worthy extremis - only those who have no real chance to be #1 will consider #2 or less success - it seems to me that English fans desire to win the tournament, its the ultimate game of take it all or nothing.

Given this I think its perfectly acceptable to sack coach in most cases of not winning #1 place, some exceptions could be very dubious decisions by referee like it was in 2004 when goal was disallowed - though coach was responsible for losing other games England should have won, so that single instance can't excuse Sven.

Given that the result is ultimate win or lose, it seems to me that it makes sense to take chance, you has to risk, even if it takes unknown manager from Wigan - its better than known average of Sven who may well qualify but he just ain't good to achieve the result that matters - #1 place.

[AtW]

BTW, what makes you think that the FA are in a position to make Mourinho an 'offer he can't refuse' in preference to his current employer, your cuddly compatriot?

See my post above. Based on it I conclude that it makes sense to take risk with some unknown guy from Wigan who proved he can fight well with near zero resources, rather than face certainty of Sven's inability to win.

If the FA are not in position to find manager that can win the tournament they should resign and let more able to take their place - these guys should share burden of loss just like the coach.

[wendigo100]

Was Sven a good club manager? I mean, is Sweden the country known for its football?

I was not following English team before Sven, so perhaps he is SOOO much better than his predecessors, but IMO, he is not manager who can fight and win the top award unless he is lucky, which is something he bets on even though he can't lose anyway - just what kind of a contract is that? In competitive game there are winners and losers, and the manager should share loss as well as victory.

Alexei, when I said that a good club manager is not necessarily a good national manager, I was referring to Mourinho, who you were suggesting that every fan in England should pay a tenner to hire.

Sven wasn't a bad club manager. Immediately before he joined England, he was manager of Lazio, where he won the Italian Championship, the Italian Cup, and the UEFA Cup Winners Cup. Before that he won the Italian Cup with both Sampdoria and Roma, the Portuguese Championship (3 times) and Portuguese Cup in two spells at Benfica, and the Swedish Championship, Swedish Cup, and the UEFA Cup with Gothenburg.

He actually put Sweden on the map, as far as club football is concerned, with that UEFA Cup win with Gothenburg.

[AtW]

Alexei, when I said that a good club manager is not necessarily a good national manager, I was referring to Mourinho, who you were suggesting that every fan in England should pay a tenner to hire.

And I won't dispute that - but I'd give chance to a successful club manager to show himself at being a national manager - same chance Sven had and same chance IMO he blown - if his team gets to lose 4 - 1 to Wales (!) and then some other country and then losing in friendlies which according to Sven do not matter (!), then clearly a replacement is well overdue - it should not have taken so long and IMO he should have been sacked in 2004, if not ealier.

I mean, WTF is going on in football -- all across the UK conditions for work are pretty harsh - a lot of people will lose their job if they won't perform very well, heck, a lot of project are done so that people will get sacked if project won't succeed REGARDLESS of individual input, why should be there much better conditions for such a high profile job?

If you can do it - fecking prove it every game, play it like it the last Final game before becoming #1! If players can't or won't want to work hard every time they play then replace them - no exceptions.

And one more - anybody who earns like £5 mln per year, or even £1 mln should STFU and stop complaining about newspapers writing stuff about them - it was his big mouth that told the words that were printed, he is not exactly officially retarded person who can't be held responsible for his words.

[Dundeegeorge]

Hang on, hang on

>Hoddle was much better

Rubbish, he was prejudiced against disabled people and always refused to pick them. Rooney would never have got a game.

How was Hoddle prejudiced against disabled people?
Tabloid crap again.

[wendigo100]

I think its a worthy extremis - only those who have no real chance to be #1 will consider #2 or less success - it seems to me that English fans desire to win the tournament, its the ultimate game of take it all or nothing.

Given this I think its perfectly acceptable to sack coach in most cases of not winning #1 place, some exceptions could be very dubious decisions by referee like it was in 2004 when goal was disallowed - though coach was responsible for losing other games England should have won, so that single instance can't excuse Sven.

Given that the result is ultimate win or lose, it seems to me that it makes sense to take chance, you has to risk, even if it takes unknown manager from Wigan - its better than known average of Sven who may well qualify but he just ain't good to achieve the result that matters - #1 place.

If this happened, the coaches of all but one of the leading teams would enter every international tournament with no experience of managing their team in international tournaments.

By that reasoning, club managers should be sacked too, if they do not attain number one position in their league. Assuming that only four have a chance of winning the premiership, that would mean that Benitez, Ferguson and Wenger would have been sacked last May, and their successors will be sacked next May. If Chelsea slip up the year after, Mourinho would be sacked, and so on.

It doesn't sound a professional approach to me.