Originally posted by TimberWolf
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How do you stop/control immigration?
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Originally posted by TimberWolf View PostYou keep avoiding the issue and adopt write-only mode. Clearly you are in favour of unrestricted immigration and wish to propagate a defeatist attitude towards tackling it. I repeatedly said the biggest problem was with legal immigration. That's the first thing to be tackled. Limit numbers. I addressed illegals elsewhere, but this was ignored too.
I am not in favour of unrestricted migration, but I am in favour of introducing the kind of freedom to move that would allow migration to flow more freely back and forth, instead of the current situation of migrants ending up in log jams in parts of northern Europe.
How many legal migrants are there in the UK? What do you want to do with them, bearing in mind that there are estimated to much more British legal immigrants in the EU, and that many businesses rely on bringing in other people from within the EU to do specialised work.And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014Comment
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Originally posted by gingerjedi View PostShirley this chefery can be passed down the generations, you don't need to send your first born to the sub continent to learn how to cook a balti so why do you need to constantly import new talent?
Sainsburys and Asda do a mean Jalfrazi these days anyway.Comment
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Originally posted by Mich the Tester View PostSO how big is the problem with legal migration? How many legal migrants are claiming benefits or committing crimes as opposed to how many are getting on and contributing?
How many legal migrants are there in the UK? What do you want to do with them, bearing in mind that there are estimated to much more British legal immigrants in the EU, and that many businesses rely on bringing in other people from within the EU to do specialised work.Comment
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Originally posted by Swati View Postbut the problem you are avoiding is that many of these second or third hand Indians or Pakistanis or Bangladeshis do not wish to work in Indian restaurant. I see exactly the same problem in Amsterdam with Indonesian restaurants. They want other jobs becasue they are more ambitious than their parents generations.
That's the problem with just about all economic migration, many companies protect and increase profit by importing cheap labour to the detriment of the indigenous population, ICT's anyone?Science isn't about why, it's about why not. You ask: why is so much of our science dangerous? I say: why not marry safe science if you love it so much. In fact, why not invent a special safety door that won't hit you in the butt on the way out, because you are fired. - Cave JohnsonComment
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Originally posted by TimberWolf View PostI don't care whether they are working or not working. Our population is too large.And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014Comment
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Originally posted by Mich the Tester View PostIndeed, it is large. Given the age build up of the population, it would start falling without migration, but then you have a problem of lots of old unproductive people and a shortage of young productive types. Unless, of course, you can train the chav underclass to do useful work, which unfortunately I have to say has been tried. Are immigrants really the problem here? Isn't the problem actually a failure to prepare lots of people, regardless of their background, to play some useful part in society?Comment
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Originally posted by TimberWolf View PostMigration delays the demographic problem and makes it worse for later generations. It needs to be tackled. The "chav underclass" does useful work for the most part and keeps the economy afloat and undermining their standard of living through migration makes them less a part of society. Do you think educating them further is going to make these important jobs they do go away?
I must declare a vested interest here; I have been a 'migrant' for most of my life; first a ´political´ migrant, as my family were unable to stay in west Africa due to ethnic tensions and lots of mad imams shouting ´kill the white men´, then economic migrant as we moved for my father´s business, then a so-called 'love migrant', as the good Lady Tester is Dutch. I don't see how my movements have been harming anyone all this time.And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014Comment
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Originally posted by Mich the Tester View PostHmmm, difficult. I suspect many of their jobs will move overseas or be replaced by machines. But I still haven't heard how migration can be stopped.
I must declare a vested interest here; I have been a 'migrant' for most of my life; first a ´political´ migrant, as my family were unable to stay in west Africa due to ethnic tensions and lots of mad imams shouting ´kill the white men´, then economic migrant as we moved for my father´s business, then a so-called 'love migrant', as the good Lady Tester is Dutch. I don't see how my movements have been harming anyone all this time.Comment
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Originally posted by TimberWolf View PostSet a limit on numbers. We're going in circles here.
A bit of migration is okay (and needn't involve the population growing), but what we've had has been insane given our already large population. An open door policy might have worked better between us, NZ, OZ and Canada.And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014Comment
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