Just how much financial tulip is Greece in?

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I read somewhere it was in goldman sachs interests that Greece went down the toilet, as they've bet against a recovery.

How dreadful a business can help bring a country to it's knees -

GS stand to win big time if Greece defaults

All religions have problems with bankers. Maybe the populace, in it's secularism, have brought this on themselves.

So not so much dreadful as a reminder.

[meridian]

All religions have problems with bankers.

Judaism doesn't seem to have a problem with them.....

Maybe the populace, in it's secularism, have brought this on themselves.

So not so much dreadful as a reminder.

It's all the athiests fault. Stone them!

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Judaism doesn't seem to have a problem with them.....

In Ezekial it is refered to as the worst of sins, and forbidden in Jewish law. That the Christian Medieval period's politics made banking the only occupation open to Jews is, I think, what you might be upset about.

It's all the atheists fault. Stone them!

They do have to shoulder quite a lot of responsibility. If you remove a tried and tested moral system and leave a vacuum, who else should be in the firing line?

[Mich the Tester]

If you remove a tried and tested moral system and leave a vacuum, who else should be in the firing line?

Are you suggesting that the world's big monotheistic religions represent a worthwhile 'moral system'?

[fullyautomatix]

All religions have problems with bankers. Maybe the populace, in it's secularism, have brought this on themselves.

So not so much dreadful as a reminder.

Religion has got nothing to do with it.

[threaded]

Are you suggesting that the world's big monotheistic religions represent a worthwhile 'moral system'?

It is at least better than the 'I'm alight jack good luck to the rest of you' that tends to fill the vacuum.

Remember the parable of the Good Samaritan, where do these codes fit in the atheist world view?

[TimberWolf]

It is at least better than the 'I'm alight jack good luck to the rest of you' that tends to fill the vacuum.

Remember the parable of the Good Samaritan, where do these codes fit in the atheist world view?

I'm pretty sure the religious doctrines derive from our genes anyway. We're a social (and tribal) species and religions reflect that. So atheists would behave in much the same way, except they make and abide by laws instead of scripture.

[Mich the Tester]

It is at least better than the 'I'm alight jack good luck to the rest of you' that tends to fill the vacuum.

Remember the parable of the Good Samaritan, where do these codes fit in the atheist world view?

What makes you think atheism is about ‘I’m alright jack’?

Do you regularly talk with atheists? Are they noticeably more cruel or less socially concerned than believers?

As for the good samaritan, it fits perfectly in a world view of seeing other humans as equals instead of holding a prejudice according to their ethnicity or religion.

[scooterscot]

I'm pretty sure the religious doctrines derive from our genes anyway. We're a social (and tribal) species and religions reflect that. So atheists would behave in much the same way, except they make and abide by laws instead of scripture.

Look someone just made up the this religion business to prevent us from all going nuts...

I mean where would all the toasters go?

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What makes you think atheism is about ‘I’m alright jack’?

Do you regularly talk with atheists? Are they noticeably more cruel or less socially concerned than believers?

As for the good samaritan, it fits perfectly in a world view of seeing other humans as equals instead of holding a prejudice according to their ethnicity or religion.

I think I'm trying to say that the less intelligent members of the community need the rules and examples provided from a formal religion to know how they should behave in society. Atheism is just too complex a set of ideas for all but the most intelligent. You can't just have a set of laws and expect people to follow them, we're not all capable of being lawyers to judge when something is lawful.

After all, rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men.