Irish public sector take 13% pay cut

[darmstadt]

Whilst Alistair Darling puts the final touches to his budget speech, the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) comes out with figures that show that the UK public sector now swallows up 52% of GDP.

Says it all really...

[minestrone]

I was sitting in first class the other day while a group of dingbats from the public sector were complaining about how the cuts that were coming were going to be bad for morale.

About 50% of the people in first class work for the goverment, that ratio must drop considerably for the cattle in steerage.

[norrahe]

Ireland has very little manufacturing, not a great deal of tourism and a bit of a service sector. The crash was always going to be hard.

I'm just pissed off that when my clan left they came to the 'just a wee bit better' place.

The Irish economy has always been reliant on handouts from the EU and getting external companies to come and put roots here to provide the employment.

Companies like Dell took advantage of tax benefits offered to set up shop and as soon as the crunch hit b*ggered off to Eastenr Europe for cheaper labour.

I like CM left the country about 17 years ago, just after that the "celtic tiger" phenomenon took off, but a little too quickly. Which has left it in the mess it is today.

[larson]

My friend is a teacher and is ready to go out on strike if they don't get a pay rise of 3% I think he said. I told him I have taken a 30% drop in the last year, in one ear and out the other.

When I told him last year that my tax bill paid his wages and then some extra he certainly heard that and stormed out the pub.

Hardly comparable.

Teachers do a difficult job that I do not envy, and a GOOD teacher definitely deserves more than the shíte cash they currently receive. They start on low, and progression is ridiculous from there. The amount of stress of the senior positions is also not so great.

I do however remind the teachers I know that their final salary pension, working hours, holiday, does make up for the lack of permanent level salary. However, 3%, given the lack of rises in the last 15 years, is hardly cheeky.

If you had mentioned a random public sector admin job that has been shown to be overpaid for the level it is at, I would have agreed. Teachers, not so.

[minestrone]

Hardly comparable.

Teachers do a difficult job that I do not envy, and a GOOD teacher definitely deserves more than the shíte cash they currently receive. They start on low, and progression is ridiculous from there. The amount of stress of the senior positions is also not so great.

I do however remind the teachers I know that their final salary pension, working hours, holiday, does make up for the lack of permanent level salary. However, 3%, given the lack of rises in the last 15 years, is hardly cheeky.

If you had mentioned a random public sector admin job that has been shown to be overpaid for the level it is at, I would have agreed. Teachers, not so.

It was just a wind up, the guy is a good teacher and he took it thick, I have been known to go on the wind up.

Still owes me 150 quid though.

And I doubt they are on tulipe cash, probably pulls in nearly 40k after coming out with a very very low level degree. Most of the teachers I know went in after being passed over by the private sector.

[norrahe]

It was just a wind up, the guy is a good teacher and he took it thick, I have been known to go on the wind up.

Still owes me 150 quid though.

And I doubt they are on tulipe cash, probably pulls in nearly 40k after coming out with a very very low level degree. Most of the teachers I know went in after being passed over by the private sector.

Teaching has benefitted very much so over the last 5 years, but what has suffered is nursing, very little in the way of pay raises or benefits and for a lot of work.

Most of the people I know that have gone into teaching do so for the easy money and holidays (and also as they can't be bothered working out what they really want to do with their lives). For some it can be long hours and tough (if you get the wrong school).

Nursing on the other hand is not something you take on lightly and for the training required and the responsibility they get absolutley nothing and a badly serviced nhs to boot.

[mrdonuts]

Public sector workers will get a pay rise. They form the major element of a Labour party vote bank and as long as Labour are in power public sector will get nice wages, great pensions and other perks.

If the govt cannot borrow anymore and has to seek IMF help we can hope of some sort of public sector cull. Beware of posters like DimPrawn who will interject here and explain that a public sector cull will result in a massive recession. That will not be the case and those massively over paid workers will be forced to take up jobs in the private sector and contribute something to the economy.

and if they cant get enough votes from them they will bus,fly and ship a few million more in, drown them in benefits and their votes will be guaranteed

[minestrone]

Teaching has benefitted very much so over the last 5 years, but what has suffered is nursing, very little in the way of pay raises or benefits and for a lot of work.

Most of the people I know that have gone into teaching do so for the easy money and holidays (and also as they can't be bothered working out what they really want to do with their lives). For some it can be long hours and tough (if you get the wrong school).

Nursing on the other hand is not something you take on lightly and for the training required and the responsibility they get absolutley nothing and a badly serviced nhs to boot.

You should hear what the ball and chain has to say about nurses, shame the devil I tell you. Hates them with a passion. "That is because they are ******* thick" was her last comment she made the other day.

[norrahe]

You should hear what the ball and chain has to say about nurses, shame the devil I tell you. Hates them with a passion. "That is because they are ******* thick" was her last comment she made the other day.

Some are and then some know more than the overpaid doctors who are a waste of time.

[Gonzo]

Nursing on the other hand is not something you take on lightly and for the training required and the responsibility they get absolutley nothing and a badly serviced nhs to boot.

That was certainly the case a decade ago, I am not so sure now.

One mate's ex-wife re-trained as a Nurse and he couldn't believe how much she could get when qualified.

The pay rates don't look to bad to me http://www.nhscareers.nhs.uk/details...lt.aspx?Id=766 taking into account that a qualified Nurse will be on band five, a specialist Nurse on band six and management are in bands seven and eight, stuff it, here is the breakdown. http://www.nhscareers.nhs.uk/details/Default.aspx?Id=4