muslim coppers

[original PM]

This is the perception amongst some people but other religions also have a lot of things which one could pick on e.g. stoning to death of the adulterer was also practiced amongst jews/christians "let he who is without sin cast the first stone".

That was a parable you muppet - designed to highlight the hypocrasy of the ruling state.

And the idea was that in the end the person was not stoned to death because of the intervention of christianity- it was not christianity promoting it as a punishment.

The fact of the matter is that while the Muslim extemists still manage to persuade people that it is better to die in a blaze of glory by blowing yourself up and indescriminently (sp) killing people because you will get 70 virgins in the after life (I mean ffs who falls for this sh!t) you will continue to have the majority of people thinking (possible quite rightly) that Muslim Extremists are highly likely to take part in terrorist activities.

If we did not have the justification of religion spouted every time on of these cases came to trial you may find the situation would change but as it is every time there is a terrorist attack and one muslim extremist group or other claims repsonbility it is always in the name of the prophet/koran etc.

I appreciate many Muslims are not like this but then maybe they need to start working with everyone else who is a non terrorist to route out the terrorists rather than hiding behind closed doors.

Stand tall or don't stand at all.

[Tarquin Farquhar]

http://www.asianimage.co.uk/uk/48534...atred_charges/

My apologies. 99.9%.

Seriously, these guys' crimes, evil though they are, are just that. Whether the laws that are rightfully used to punish them are called "anti-terrorist" laws or not, they are just criminals.

The people and organisations that demolish skyscrapers, blow up 747-loads of families, scream that death is due to those who offend them, and want to change not just their society and law but ours, so that what they do not want, we may not do, on pain of death: they are terrorists. And they are mostly Islamic terrorists. They may or may not be representative of the religion and the people, but as I said, IF we have to look for big-time terrorists, THERE is where we have to look.

[Tarquin Farquhar]

This is the perception amongst some people but other religions also have a lot of things which one could pick on e.g. stoning to death of the adulterer was also practiced amongst jews/christians "let he who is without sin cast the first stone".

Er, the point of that was that NOBODY is without sin; therefore NOBODY had the right to cast the first stone.

[ratewhore]

I appreciate many Muslims are not like this but then maybe they need to start working with everyone else who is a non terrorist to route out the terrorists rather than hiding behind closed doors.

That's one of the things the Muslim Coppers are whinging about, looking at the article...

In an analysis of the Prevent strategy, which is a set of policies designed to stop radicalisation, the organisation claimed: “The strategies of Prevent were historically focused on so-called Islamist extremism.

There is growing criticism among Muslim groups of the government strategy, which was welcomed by mainstream police organisations.

The organisation said Prevent should focus on confronting far-Right extremists such as the BNP.

[Tarquin Farquhar]

There is a big flaw in comparisons of Christianity in previous centuries to Islam today. The atrocities perpetrated by Christianity bore no relation to the peaceful teachings of Christ in the new testament, whereas the intolerance Islam Islam shows to those who do not submit is exactly what the prophet taught.

Cutting off the hands of thieves, cutting off the hands and feet of a whole tribe who offended him, digging up all the corpses in a non Muslim cemetary, having adulterers stoned. You will find it all in the Haddiths hidden amidst all the trivia and obsession with bodily functions.

Take a look at the examples Islamists like to give of tolerant Islam, they are about Muslims treating decently those who accepted their rule in Spain and elsewhere. The tolerance of Islam is that of the master for his obedient slaves. You can see that in Muslim countries today, assuming there is any tolerance at all that is, practice your religion in private and very, very quietly and you should be ok.

The teachings of Christianity are general moral principles which even us atheists have no objection to. That is not the same thing as the irrational stance of insisting we base our laws now and forever on the supposed sayings of an 8th century figure. Thou shalt not steal is fine, cutting off hands isn't.

Islamic terrorism may be in part a current fashion among young men, it may die out as quickly as the hippy movement did if we get more sensible foreign policies. The real issue is the threat the political creed of Islam presents to rational laws, individual freedom and the idea that we should enjoy life instead of wasting it in a miserable and joyless pursuit of a non existent afterlife.

Er, Bravo! Xog. A bit heavier than usual, but seriously spot on.

[Doggy Styles]

This is the perception amongst some people but other religions also have a lot of things which one could pick on e.g. stoning to death of the adulterer was also practiced amongst jews/christians "let he who is without sin cast the first stone".

Stoning was against christian teaching. Hence the quote.

In fact, I'm struggling to think of any christian teaching that might be construed as advocating violence against others. I'm sure someone will help.

[Tarquin Farquhar]

I appreciate many Muslims are not like this but then maybe they need to start working with everyone else who is a non terrorist to route out the terrorists rather than hiding behind closed doors.

Stand tall or don't stand at all.

Some do, for example those women who turned up at the Trafalgar Square memorial to 7/7, in Hiqab but with a big banner reading "Not in my name", made a deep positive impression on behalf of their people and faith. Unfortunately they do stand out rather in the memory, compared to people who will come one here and argue that they are being victimised if we so much as think that the big terrorism threat is Islamic.

I don't see a lot of Muslim men standing up against terrorism. Pity.

[EC4N]

...Take a look at the examples Islamists like to give of tolerant Islam, they are about Muslims treating decently those who accepted their rule in Spain and elsewhere.

Don't forget, during the Spanish inquisition when Jews were being persecuted in Europe they sought refuge and were given sanctuary in the north African Maghrib lands, communities of which continue to co-exist peacefully til this day.

Aside from that you really do sound like Daniel Pipes.

[EternalOptimist]

Don't forget, during the Spanish inquisition when Jews were being persecuted in Europe they sought refuge and were given sanctuary in the north African Maghrib lands, communities of which continue to co-exist peacefully til this day.

Aside from that you really do sound like Daniel Pipes.

yes, but nobody expected the Spanish Inquisition

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

I appreciate many Muslims are not like this but then maybe they need to start working with everyone else who is a non terrorist to route out the terrorists rather than hiding behind closed doors.

That I agree with. The problem here however is that a lot of these cells are underground.

However we have to also appreciate that the media does not highlight the positive aspects of the Muslim community - they just focus on the negative. For example take a look at this website:

www.ius.org.uk/giveblood

One of my friends from Uni set up that campaign to give blood to UK blood banks. 95% of those attending are muslim.

My point being is yes you are right they need to sort this issue out with us but at the same time media is doing a lot of damage to them when some of the decent folk actually do some work.