Iranian leader denies Holocaust

[Churchill]

Aye Churchill

Well I did try to dismiss the whole event from my mind, as I mentioned it took over two years before I dared to tell even my closest freinds.

But you see as I mentioned it wasnt just a vision , I was told certain things about my life which then, and much to my astonishment did happen.

Thats why, as much as I would have liked , I just couldnt dismiss the whole episode.

Anyway , laugh if you like.

The lesson I learned from this whole encounter, and its a long story which led up to this vision, is that always be kind to strangers as they may be Angels in disguise.

I'm not laughing my old north of the border chum, merely offering an alternative explanation.

[Joe Black]

it was 70 plus years ago!!!...It's long past time for Israel to shut up about it

And you think humanity has really learnt and changed enough in those 60 plus years to not bother to ever again RTFM...

[Fungus]

Why do we have Israel? Simple question not so simple answer.
Jews have been hated thoughout history for mainly two reasons, first off they were/are a closed, easly recognisable group, they are different to those around them (not so much now but used to be very different) and you cannot join them. Other main reason was they were affluent, mainly due to how they operate, helping each other and and sending each other buisness (sometimes in preference of someone better who was non jewish).

Nothing really wrong with any of this, just natual to help your own first, but never be susprised if the rest of the world starts to hate/resent you for it. When you create a "them and us" don't be susprised when "them" try to kill you

Also many going into money lending definitely did not help either as a King who owes you money will do anything to get rid of you and your people.

Now as to the Holocaust, it was real, it was bad, but was it unique? Not really. Only thing that really makes it stand out was it was the first of it's kind to happen during the era of mass communications, media and cinema. It shocked the world who up until that point were able to distance themselves from the truth about war and other things. The western world goes into collective feelings of guilt and disgust at mankind

Only one problem though, for the same reasons as always people still don't like and envy the jews.

Then someone comes up with clever idea to form Israel, jews invade, take it over, world leaders go
"yah, a solution to the jewish problem, they get a country (we might be even able to say 'we gave them one' by recogniseing them) and hopefully all the jews over here will leave to go there. What about the people that were already there you ask? Bahh who cares about a bunch of raghead camel jockys? It's not like they have or ever will have any power or influence or be able to do anything about it"

And thus the stage was set for todays world.

The main reason for being different was that they were not Christian. Simply not being the right flavour of Christianity was a no-no.

As an aside, in England a few centuries ago you could be put to death for being a Gypsy.

I believe that the reason Jews became money lenders is because the trade was forbidden to Christians. Also they were literate unlike most of the populace and literacy was required for money lending.

Jews have long had a strong ethic for education and work, and as you say, for helping other Jews. Today in the UK there's only about 0.25 million Jews, but they are preeminent in the arts, media, science, medicine and so on. IMO they excel for good reasons. (A bit like us lot ...) East African Asians also excel in the UK for similar reasons.

Israel was the result of the Zionist movement, which started roughly 150 years ago, mainly in central Europe. Jews started migrating to the Holy Land, creating Jewish villages, resurrecting Hebrew as a living language. In the 20's the top British administrator of Palestine was himself a Zionist Jew. So maybe it is not surprising that Zionism was encouraged.

After the end of WW2 prominant Jews lobbied the UN for a separate Jewish state. The UN voted for the partition of Palestine into separate Jewish and Arab states to the anger of the surrounding Arab states. No doubt this was a combination of ignorance (some countries knew nothing about Palestine), guilt (many countries had allowed the holocaust to happen) and in some cases a desire to get rid of 'the hated Jew'. Sadly anti-semitism is still rife in some parts of Europe such as France. In about 1948 the British left Palestine (too many deaths for too little reward). A new state of Israel was promptly declared by David Ben Gurion, and the neighbouring Arab states promptly invaded. Some Arab civilians were massacred by Jewish terrorists, and hundreds of thousands of them fled their homes, terrified of being massacred by the Jews. Some were forced out at gun point by Jewish terrorists. The Jews won, the Arabs lost. The Arabs have attacked Israel several times over the intervening years, but they lost, and Israel is now a reality. The Arab states were run by corrupt unelected dictators with badly led armies and the democratic Israeli state triumphed.

"Bahh who cares about a bunch of raghead camel jockys? "

Yes. That's the potted version of my rant. It's short but it summarises the key points.

And today we still see massacres of innocents and the world stands by. Unless there's oil in them thar hills. Yee haaaa ...

Fungus.

[AlfredJPruffock]

How do you know it was an Archangel, Alf?

Are they strikingly different to the normal kind?

Aye ZG

Since you asked ...

Well I have never seen an angel so normally I would not be in a position to discern, however the entity I witnessed announced itself by the following introduction ...

Peace be with you.
I am the Archangel Raphael

At the time I was dimly aware of Archangels, but not one called Raphael.

After some research I discoverd Raphael is Hebrew for He Who Hath Healed and apparently amongst the Angel Hierarchy he is the one who has the closest affinity to Humans, in the Catholic Bible he makes an appearance in the book of Tobin where he manifests as a travelling companion.

Besides Raphael, Michael and Gabriel are the only Archangels mentioned by name in the bible.

Raphael's name means "God heals."

This identity came about because of the biblical story which claims that he "healed" the earth when it was defiled by the sins of the fallen angels in the apocryphal book of Enoch.

Raphael is also identified as the angel who moved the waters of the healing sheep pool. He is also the patron of the blind, of happy meetings, of nurses, of physicians and of travelers. His feast day is celebrated on September 29th.

In the Book of Euocb, Raphael is the guide to Sheol, the Judaic underworld, and it was he who was sent to bind the fallen 'watcher' Azazel, burying him under rocks in a desert place on earth.

According to the Talmud, he is one of the three angels who visited Abraham after his circumcision.


PS No it didnt have wings, but its face was like a radiant golden mask , so radiant that I could hardly see its face at first, rather like looking into the sun.

I feared that I might be burned by its intensity but in fact the light gave me the most marvellous blissful sensation when I realised that nothing harmful would happen.

Its face was gentle and loving beyond description yet neither male nor female in its aspect.

[sasguru]

Mr AjP,

You disappoint me. These meandarings are reminiscent of Chico. How sad.

Or have you been enjoying God's beautiful bounty

[Mailman]

Aye ZG

Since you asked ...

Well I have never seen an angel so normally I would not be in a position to discern, however the entity I witnessed announced itself by the following introduction ...

Peace be with you.
I am the Archangel Raphael

At the time I was dimly aware of Archangels, but not one called Raphael.

Did you ask where the other two teenage mutant ninja turtles were?

Mailman

[threaded]

AlfredJPruffock: Did (s)he say when the singularity will happen?

[OwlHoot]

As an aside, in England a few centuries ago you could be put to death for being a Gypsy

Not for just _being_ a gypsy, but "consorting with gypsies for more than a month" was made a capital felony in the 1560s, during the reign of Queen Elizabeth 1, as the authorities were worried about the large numbers of "rogues and vagabonds" roaming the land. This law wasn't repealed until the early 19th century.

[xoggoth]

Mainly due to the enclosure acts I believe.

Very understandable though. I saw a swarthy foreign looking person in our village the other day. He wasn't actually doing anything illegal at the time but he was undoubtably up to no good as these types always are and in better times would have been executed just for being there without a permit. I think society was much more sensible in the old days.

[SupremeSpod]

AlfredJPruffock: Did (s)he say when the singularity will happen?

Yes, they're just waiting for you to exceed critical mass!

More pies for Threaded please.