Big freeze could signal global warming 'pause'

[TykeMerc]

Sasguru as soon as you make a reasonable case backed up with credible scientific evidence and theory I'll be more than happy to consider your argument.

Unfortunately you only seem interested in posting insults and invective so you've lost support rather than gained it.

Make the case for AGW in a convincing, rational manner and I'll support you.

[shaunbhoy]

Frederick Seitz? Is this the bloke who also denied the link between smoking and cancer?

You take a swipe at the OISM then quote Wikipedia?


No, I was referring to this guy..........

Frederick Seitz was born in San Francisco on Independence Day, 1911. He earned his bachelor's degree from Stanford University in 1932 and his doctorate in physics at Princeton University in 1934. He taught physics at the University of Rochester (1935-1937), the University of Pennsylvania (1939-1942), and at Carnegie Institute of Technology (1942-1949) before going to the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champagne in 1949, where he had a long association with the Physics Department and the Materials Research Laboratory. Professor Seitz became the Physics Department Head in 1957, remaining in that position until 1964. He served as Dean of the Graduate College and Vice-Chancellor for Research at Illinois until 1965 and contributed substantially the understanding of quantum mechanics, properties of solids, and radiation effects.

In 1962, Dr. Seitz became the first full time President of the National Academy of Sciences, which position he held until 1969. From 1968 until his retirement in 1978, he served as President of Rockefeller University. With Drs. Robert Jastrow and William Nierenberg, Dr. Seitz founded the George C. Marshall Institute in 1984 to conduct assessments of scientific issues affecting public policy. He was an influential figure in the public debates on climate change and defense issues.

During his long career, Dr. Seitz served on numerous governmental and academic committees, including the President?s Science Advisory Committee, the Defense Science Board and the policy advisory board of the Argonne National Laboratory. He advised a wide range of institutions including the Library of Congress, the Guggenheim Memorial Foundation, Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center, the National Cancer Advisory Board, and the Office of Strategic Defense Initiative. Dr. Seitz?s awards include the Franklin Medal (Franklin Institute), the Hoover Medal, the Distinguished Public Service Award (NASA), the Compton Award (American Institute of Physics), the National Medal of Science, the James Madison Award (Princeton University), the Vannevar Bush Award (National Science Foundation), and the Loveland Memorial Award (American College of Physicians) and he received honorary degrees from thirty-four American and foreign universities and colleges.

I mean clearly he cannot hold a candle to someone as scientifically knowledgeable as you, but a pretty impressive CV nonetheless. Remind me again, where did you do your PhD?

[EternalOptimist]

Sasguru as soon as you make a reasonable case backed up with credible scientific evidence and theory I'll be more than happy to consider your argument.

Unfortunately you only seem interested in posting insults and invective so you've lost support rather than gained it.

Make the case for AGW in a convincing, rational manner and I'll support you.

well said.

Mind you , SaSGoru is the first person I ever met who emigrated to get out of a losing argument. That must really hurt

[shaunbhoy]

well said.

Mind you , SaSGoru is the first person I ever met who emigrated to get out of a losing argument. That must really hurt

You would think he'd have got used to it after over 16k posts too.

[sasguru]

You take a swipe at the OISM then quote Wikipedia?


No, I was referring to this guy..........

Frederick Seitz was born in San Francisco on Independence Day, 1911. He earned his bachelor's degree from Stanford University in 1932 and his doctorate in physics at Princeton University in 1934. He taught physics at the University of Rochester (1935-1937), the University of Pennsylvania (1939-1942), and at Carnegie Institute of Technology (1942-1949) before going to the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champagne in 1949, where he had a long association with the Physics Department and the Materials Research Laboratory. Professor Seitz became the Physics Department Head in 1957, remaining in that position until 1964. He served as Dean of the Graduate College and Vice-Chancellor for Research at Illinois until 1965 and contributed substantially the understanding of quantum mechanics, properties of solids, and radiation effects.

In 1962, Dr. Seitz became the first full time President of the National Academy of Sciences, which position he held until 1969. From 1968 until his retirement in 1978, he served as President of Rockefeller University. With Drs. Robert Jastrow and William Nierenberg, Dr. Seitz founded the George C. Marshall Institute in 1984 to conduct assessments of scientific issues affecting public policy. He was an influential figure in the public debates on climate change and defense issues.

During his long career, Dr. Seitz served on numerous governmental and academic committees, including the President?s Science Advisory Committee, the Defense Science Board and the policy advisory board of the Argonne National Laboratory. He advised a wide range of institutions including the Library of Congress, the Guggenheim Memorial Foundation, Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center, the National Cancer Advisory Board, and the Office of Strategic Defense Initiative. Dr. Seitz?s awards include the Franklin Medal (Franklin Institute), the Hoover Medal, the Distinguished Public Service Award (NASA), the Compton Award (American Institute of Physics), the National Medal of Science, the James Madison Award (Princeton University), the Vannevar Bush Award (National Science Foundation), and the Loveland Memorial Award (American College of Physicians) and he received honorary degrees from thirty-four American and foreign universities and colleges.

I mean clearly he cannot hold a candle to someone as scientifically knowledgeable as you, but a pretty impressive CV nonetheless. Remind me again, where did you do your PhD?

Yup. Same guy - obviously very clever but sold his integrity to the tobacco companies and made such silly statements that they disowned him.
Then he went on to climate change.
By this time he was clearly senile and gaga -not unlike you SB

HTH

[sasguru]

well said.

Mind you , SaSGoru is the first person I ever met who emigrated to get out of a losing argument. That must really hurt

Oh look its Sancho.

[EternalOptimist]

Oh look its Sancho.

wait, i dont get it

[sasguru]

wait, i dont get it

If you do, it'll be a first!

bada dish! I thang you.

[shaunbhoy]

Yup. Same guy - obviously very clever but sold his integrity to the tobacco companies and made such silly statements that they disowned him.

Er his comments related solely to the area of passive smoking, and extended to commenting that "there is no good scientific evidence that passive inhalation is truly dangerous under normal circumstances." But don't let the truth get in the way of your rant.



Then he went on to climate change and with the support of over 31000 other scientists ripped your flimsy hockeystick theories a new one

HTH

[sasguru]

HTH

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_Petition

In May 1998 the Seattle Times wrote:

“ Several environmental groups questioned some of the names in the petition. For instance: "Perry S. Mason", who was a legitimate scientist who shared the name of a TV character. Similarly, "Michael J. Fox", "Robert C. Byrd", and "John C. Grisham" were signatories with names shared with famous people. Geraldine Halliwell was added as: "Dr. Geri Halliwell" and "Dr. Halliwell." This name may have been contributed by a proxy trying to discredit the petition since Ms. Halliwell has never admitted to signing the petition.
Asked about the pop singer, Robinson said he was duped. The returned petition, one of thousands of mailings he sent out, identified her as having a degree in microbiology and living in Boston. "When we're getting thousands of signatures there's no way of filtering out a fake," he said.[22]
”

In 2001, Scientific American reported:

“ Scientific American took a random sample of 30 of the 1,400 signatories claiming to hold a Ph.D. in a climate-related science. Of the 26 we were able to identify in various databases, 11 said they still agreed with the petition —- one was an active climate researcher, two others had relevant expertise, and eight signed based on an informal evaluation. Six said they would not sign the petition today, three did not remember any such petition, one had died, and five did not answer repeated messages. Crudely extrapolating, the petition supporters include a core of about 200 climate researchers – a respectable number, though rather a small fraction of the climatological community.[23] ”

In a 2005 op-ed in the Hawaii Reporter, Todd Shelly wrote:

“ In less than 10 minutes of casual scanning, I found duplicate names (Did two Joe R. Eaglemans and two David Tompkins sign the petition, or were some individuals counted twice?), single names without even an initial (Biolchini), corporate names (Graybeal & Sayre, Inc. How does a business sign a petition?), and an apparently phony single name (Redwine, Ph.D.). These examples underscore a major weakness of the list: there is no way to check the authenticity of the names. Names are given, but no identifying information (e.g., institutional affiliation) is provided. Why the lack of transparency?[24]


I've never taught in a special needs school, but it must feel remarkably like this: you've got to pound the facts into a very small receptacle indeed.