I'll bet they were glad to have a firearm at home to defend themselves

[AtW]

Nope, but if they were available what's to stop the spray being used to make the victim that much easier to assault?

Have you ever used CS/gas can anyway? If you did (like myself - legally, not in this country obviously) you'd know that unless you step away from person you sprayed then you might get it yourself, it's a GAS - it will hit the person who attacked if he'd want to get close, which in rape situation is more than likely.

You are taking all means of self defense from women who are not naturally good at self defending against stronger determined attacker.

Besides a life sentence is far from life in this country.

It's far more than any penalty they'd get for carrying CS gas. Rapes did not stop - and I am not sure I heard that CS gas was used extensively at the time - unlike those date rape pills, now making those illegal seems reasonable since they can't be used for self defense.

I support some people are just cowards and choose false path that looks safe.

[gingerjedi]

What I am saying is that firearms laws should go back to at LEAST pre-Dunblane. Yes that's a bit tulipy, but certainly much better than what it is now.

What I really want to know is the name(s) of the idiot(s) who are responsible for banning of CS/pepper gas.

Sorry, got to break my silence...

So you've dropped your idea for an elite hand picked private armed police force of between 10-15%?

As for pepper spray it can be used for both defencive and offencive situations, again best to keep it out of the hands of the general public and in the hands of the law enforcers.

As they say on Crimewatch: "Don't have nightmares, do sleep well".

[AtW]

So you've dropped your idea for an elite hand picked private armed police force of between 10-15%?

It's not private force - that's my estimate of number of people who can certainly pass the test and get firearms. This number will be sufficient to create deterrent to criminals.

As for pepper spray it can be used for both defencive and offencive situations, again best to keep it out of the hands of the general public and in the hands of the law enforcers.

Do you have statistics on CS gas being used by criminals when it was legal?

Or maybe statistics showing that legal firearms were used extensively in murders?

I've linked to stats showing that 90% of homicides well before firearms ban were done without firearms (legal or not), most of firearms murders that were done were certainly done using illegals. So banning firearms (or even CS gas) did not solve any problems whatsoever.

Personally I'd rather have criminal use CS gas than knife.

It's no wonder that with such attitude this country lost the Empire.

[threaded]

It's not private force - that's my estimate of number of people who can certainly pass the test and get firearms. This number will be sufficient to create deterrent to criminals.



Do you have statistics on CS gas being used by criminals when it was legal?

Or maybe statistics showing that legal firearms were used extensively in murders?

I've linked to stats showing that 90% of homicides well before firearms ban were done without firearms (legal or not), most of firearms murders that were done were certainly done using illegals. So banning firearms (or even CS gas) did not solve any problems whatsoever.

Personally I'd rather have criminal use CS gas than knife.

It's no wonder that with such attitude this country lost the Empire.

It is rare for burglars to burgle wealthy areas. They normally do the house on the corner or the next road or so. Not enough people living in these 'depressed' areas would generally pass your test to gain a firearm license to make it a valid deterrent.

[AtW]

Not enough people living in these 'depressed' areas would generally pass your test to gain a firearm license to make it a valid deterrent.

Large amount of money isn't the test - good character, training to use it, some money certainly should be required to afford 3rd party insurance like with cars: people pay £400-1000 per year to insure a car, if just 3 mln people in the UK (5% of total population) own firearms and pay £330 per year as insurance, this creates £1 bln insurance fund that can cover any side effects, there will be less than with cars that result in 3000 people killed every year.

Guns are much safer than cars. People who want to ban the former and accept the latter are either cowards or stupid, or both.

[gingerjedi]

It's not private force - that's my estimate of number of people who can certainly pass the test and get firearms. This number will be sufficient to create deterrent to criminals.



Do you have statistics on CS gas being used by criminals when it was legal?

Or maybe statistics showing that legal firearms were used extensively in murders?

I've linked to stats showing that 90% of homicides well before firearms ban were done without firearms (legal or not), most of firearms murders that were done were certainly done using illegals. So banning firearms (or even CS gas) did not solve any problems whatsoever.

Personally I'd rather have criminal use CS gas than knife.

It's no wonder that with such attitude this country lost the Empire.

This country (that you chose) has laws implemented by democratic means, if you don't like it... feck off and keep moving until you find to a country that suits you.

Alternatively vote for a party that supports your ideas and hope there are enough like minded people to make a difference... good luck with that.

BTW Ebay rules are the same all over the world so you can still moan about how unfair timed auctions are.

[threaded]

Large amount of money isn't the test - good character, training to use it, some money certainly should be required to afford 3rd party insurance like with cars: people pay £400-1000 per year to insure a car, if just 3 mln people in the UK (5% of total population) own firearms and pay £330 per year as insurance, this creates £1 bln insurance fund that can cover any side effects, there will be less than with cars that result in 3000 people killed every year.

Guns are much safer than cars. People who want to ban the former and accept the latter are either cowards or stupid, or both.

Not saying all the people are crims, not at all. Saying most of these areas are full of HIMOs. It is unusual to gain a firearms license if you live in a HIMO.

[RichardCranium]

Guns are much safer than cars. People who want to ban the former and accept the latter are either cowards or stupid, or both.

Doctors kill more people than cars. Ergo...

Cars are much safer than doctors. People who want to ban cars and accept doctors are either cowards or stupid, or both.

[AtW]

This country (that you chose) has laws implemented by democratic means, if you don't like it... flip off and keep moving until you find to a country that suits you.

The laws are democratic which means everyone has got a right to an opinion - you have yours and I have mine.

BTW Ebay rules are the same all over the world so you can still moan about how unfair timed auctions are.

I don't have to use Ebay and I avoid using it - this does not have any effect on my life whatsoever, having firearm can be a difference between life and death. If you don't understand the difference between the two then you are not qualified to even have an opinion.

If I choose to leave this country at some point in the future it will be for one (or more) of the following reasons:
1) taxes
2) firearms
3) something else

I'd still be posting on CUK though

[AtW]

Doctors kill more people than cars. Ergo...

Cars are much safer than doctors. People who want to ban cars and accept doctors are either cowards or stupid, or both.

Maybe. I don't call to ban doctors or cars, OR firearms. They all have good and bad sides, it's just a question if risks can be managed - not everyone can, that's why not everyone gets driving license, frankly there should be less people with driving license than there currently are: it would have saved far more lifes a year than firearms every killed in this country (apart from war periods).