Climategate

[threaded]

Climate change data dumped

Surprise, surprise: because, like I posted here many months ago when I got hold of some 'raw data', it was easy to show it was fake using standard statistical techniques.

Total house of cards. These guys are scoundrels.

[centurian]

While the evidence for climate change may be suspect, it's kind of irrelevant to a point.

Fossil fuels will run out. We have to switch to renewables because it will be the only form of viable energy left. It's just a question of how fast we have to do it.

[Troll]

While the evidence for climate change may be suspect, it's kind of irrelevant to a point.

Fossil fuels will run out. We have to switch to renewables because it will be the only form of viable energy left. It's just a question of how fast we have to do it.

Agreed that everything is finite but stuff like this will make it last longer, the main point is the hysteria being whipped up based on (now discredited) historical data

[threaded]

While the evidence for climate change may be suspect, it's kind of irrelevant to a point.

Fossil fuels will run out. We have to switch to renewables because it will be the only form of viable energy left. It's just a question of how fast we have to do it.

I totally agree with you. Which it is why it is so important to have real scientists getting proper funding and not a bunch of snake-oil salesman diverting what limited resources there are into their own pockets, and undermining real work that will be useful.

[TimberWolf]

Agreed that everything is finite but stuff like this will make it last longer, the main point is the hysteria being whipped up based on (now discredited) historical data

Check out the link provided by the last poster though, which suggests early optimism over shale gas may have been premature.

Wouldn't it be nice if a tiny fraction of what will be spent trying to hold back climate change went into researching exciting new technologies such as nuclear (e.g. Thorium, Fast Breeders and Fusion), energy storage (e.g. battery technology and synthesised liquid fuels) instead, as well as into exploiting and adapting to climate change rather than trying to be knut. Clearly addressing the population issue isn't on anyone's radar.

[gingerjedi]

While the evidence for climate change may be suspect, it's kind of irrelevant to a point.

Fossil fuels will run out. We have to switch to renewables because it will be the only form of viable energy left. It's just a question of how fast we have to do it.

It's much worse than that, fossil fuels are used to produce just about everything in the modern world, energy is just part of the problem and probably the most easily solved.

An oil trader mate of mine told me that oil will never run out but it will get more expensive, much more to the point where only the very rich and the very powerful will have access. The OPEC countries will turn the taps to a trickle sending the price sky high, they don't really care as they get paid either way.

[Churchill]

Whether it's valid or not I always wonder why people get so hot-headed over this. Seems non-scientists on both sides turn it into a zealotry rather than science.

Besides, any moves which make pollution better and slow the usage of fossil fuels are great even if the reason used is not actually true. Towns which don't make you ill from breathing, and a future where we haven't run out of oil, both seem attractive to me.

It's coz we ain't got no more whales to save, the Japs have eaten 'em all, innit?

Whales just ain't sexy no more!

[gingerjedi]

Whales just ain't sexy no more!

She's knocking on a bit but Shirley Bassey looks fantastic for her age.

[EternalOptimist]

Whether it's valid or not I always wonder why people get so hot-headed over this. Seems non-scientists on both sides turn it into a zealotry rather than science.

Besides, any moves which make pollution better and slow the usage of fossil fuels are great even if the reason used is not actually true. Towns which don't make you ill from breathing, and a future where we haven't run out of oil, both seem attractive to me.

Sorry but I have to disagree with you here. Two issues been a very subtley but successfuly combined into one. The green agenda, pollution etc is a seperate issue from AGW.
If scientists could invent a coal fired power station that produced 0 carbon, but many more were required, this would satisfy the AGW lot , but not the Green Lobby.

As far as green issues are concerned we have good choices, recycling vs having six bins, plastice carrier bags in the trees or more expensive longer lasting bags, good relations with Japan or more whales. We have choices.

With AGW all we get is apocalyptic and blood curdling warnings and solutions that may not be very green at all

[Churchill]

She's knocking on a bit but Shirley Bassey looks fantastic for her age.

She's a tigress mate, not a whale.