Contractors are Thatchers children

[DodgyAgent]

You point is: You are willing to tell lies and extroplate to a level of ridiculousness about what she did and then accuse those who point out your mistruths of being hypocrites, socialists or Thatcher haters. I was only listening to Keneth Baker on the radio the other day about the mistakes they made with respect to education and errosion of the manufacturing base. Even he isn't such a Zealot and he was in the Government at the time.

I am there with the best of them when it comes to recognising Thatchers mistakes, and I would more than likely agree with kenneth Baker. What I am looking for is an explanation from those IT contractors who seem to hate her so much and yet have been made gloriously wealthy as a direct result of her policies.

Manufacturing was messed up by the socialists, Thatcher deliverd the medicine that was prescribed by the state of the economy at the time she came into power. I will accept that in hindsight she should have somehow (and no one here knows where the money would have come from) invested in infrastructure projects in order to give the economy some momentum.

But to hate her? To pour vitriol on her about side issues that have no affect on your lives is remarkable. If your hate is about the closure of grammar schools (which is clearly a smokescreen) then why not look at the broader picture of grammar schools, their desirability and the reasons why they havent/have flourished. You people have a deeper problem with Thatcher and you are prepared to pick up any stone or brick and hurl it, without explaining any sound reason.

I still maintain that she destroyed the myth that socialism was a benign force and she made it crystal clear that she believed that people in society should be free and responsible. She gave a kick in the boll**ks to those in society who think that the rest of society owes them a living and the hypocrites who think that pretending to be a socialist means that you care about others.

[Mich the Tester]

she destroyed the myth that socialism was a benign force and she made it crystal clear that she believed that people in society should be free and responsible. She gave a kick in the boll**ks to those in society who think that the rest of society owes them a living and the hypocrites who think that pretending to be a socialist means that you care about others.

...and that's why, even though I too could think of many things on which I disagree with Mrs Thatcher, I think that on the whole she did more good than harm. Our family business, which competes directly with companies that were subsidized and nationally owned before the 1980s, would never even have been started without the liberalisation of the British economy and the liberalisation that followed in Europe.

[MPwannadecentincome]

...and that's why, even though I too could think of many things on which I disagree with Mrs Thatcher, I think that on the whole she did more good than harm. Our family business, which competes directly with companies that were subsidized and nationally owned before the 1980s, would never even have been started without the liberalisation of the British economy and the liberalisation that followed in Europe.

that's a bit coherent I thought you woz sloshed from the wine merchants hic

[Bagpuss]

I still maintain that she destroyed the myth that socialism was a benign force and she made it crystal clear that she believed that people in society should be free and responsible. She gave a kick in the boll**ks to those in society who think that the rest of society owes them a living and the hypocrites who think that pretending to be a socialist means that you care about others.

By this I'm guessing you are talking about the Labour party? The Labour Party of today little resembles that of the 1970s and 80s. If anything the current Labour Party are Thatcher's children. Content with the model of resting the unemployed on Incapacity benefit rather than enabling them into work. I doubt my Grandad (God rest his soul) would recognise what the Labour Party is now or what it stands for, it certainly isn't about a fair deal for the working man.

[DodgyAgent]

By this I'm guessing you are talking about the Labour party? The Labour Party of today little resembles that of the 1970s and 80s. If anything the current Labour Party are Thatcher's children. Content with the model of resting the unemployed on Incapacity benefit rather than enabling them into work. I doubt my Grandad (God rest his soul) would recognise what the Labour Party is now or what it stands for, it certainly isn't about a fair deal for the working man.

The current labout party are anything but Thatcherites (you keep trying dont you?). If anything they are closer to the Tory wets. There is a fundamental difference in ideology between labour and Conservative, and it is one of attitude. Thatcher herself believed in the freedom of the individual as well as giving the individual the reponsibilities that accompany such freedom (freedom to choose a pension - provided you accept the consequences if you do not make pension provisions. Freedom to own your own house provided that you care for it and maintain its value and suffer the consequences if not).

New labour on the other hand is collectivist by nature, driven by envy, greed and a hunger for power. These New labourites are obsessed with being "seen" to do good. They are most certainly not individuals who work hard in the shop in order to bring in money to feed the household. They are also obsessed with what everyone else has got that they havent got. They are people who dont give a s**t about anyone else and think that they can get away with it by calling themselves socialists. It was this myth that Thatcher exposed.

[Bagpuss]

Freedom to own your own house provided that you care for it and maintain its value and suffer the consequences if not).

What is all this about freedom to buy your own house? Do you mean freedom to buy a council house? Home ownership within the working class has been popular since the second world war.

[minestrone]

I doubt my Grandad (God rest his soul) would recognise what the Labour Party is now or what it stands for, it certainly isn't about a fair deal for the working man.

Oh no, it is a "I voted labour because my family" type.

[DodgyAgent]

What is all this about freedom to buy your own house? Do you mean freedom to buy a council house? Home ownership within the working class has been popular since the second world war.

Whatever house.

What about now answering my point?

[Bagpuss]

Whatever house.

What about now answering my point?

I just thought I'd check, the biggest increase in home ownership was between 1951 and 1971 (roughly doubled from about 28% to 52%). In the thatcher years it went from around 58% to about 65%.


It's all in your head isn't it?

Thatcher and Grammar schools Myth - busted
Thatcher and home ownership Myth - busted

Oh no, it is a "I voted labour because my family" type.

I'm not sure how he voted, he was working class, born at the turn of the 20th century but used to play Cricket and Golf. My other Grandfather owned several businesses and voted Conservative. I hope that hasn't blown your brains out.

[DodgyAgent]

I just thought I'd check, the biggest increase in home ownership was between 1951 and 1971 (roughly doubled from about 28% to 52%). In the thatcher years it went from around 58% to about 65%.


It's all in your head isn't it?



I'm not sure how he voted, he was working class, born at the turn of the 20th century but used to play Cricket and Golf. My other Grandfather owned several businesses and voted Conservative. I hope that hasn't blown your brains out.

So the reason you hate Thatcher is because home ownership did not increase as much under her as it did between 1951 and 1971? The fact that your own fat little pockets have been stuffed with money as a direct result of her policies has no bearing on your vitriolic hatred of the woman

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