Contractors told that we are going to be offered permie roles

[Board Game Geek]

Depends what's on offer I guess.

I don't really have much choice, the market is poo, the job is technically easy, it's 10 mins drive from home, and it fits in very well with my MS due to the nature of the work.

Plus I suppose there are holidays to look forward to again, paid sick, etc.

On the face of it, I'm just grumbling, when there are others who don't have a job at all.

I'll shut up and be thankful, as they like to remind us contractors on site.

[RichardCranium]

Plus I suppose there are holidays to look forward to again, paid sick, etc.

Then have a good sit and think about the package.

You want 6 weeks leave a year (because you are accustomed to, what, 15?).

You want 5 days' technical training per year.

x% non-contributory pension.

A severance package: 20% of salary if they dismiss you in under 2 years.

etc.

(It's been that long that I cannot remember what goes into a permie package!)

They'll shaft you on the salary so try to shaft them on the benefits.

[Pondlife]

Make sure you phone in sick on day 1.

When you do eventually go back in offer to start a union.

[Tingles]

Remember to sign up for loads of committees etc....

I knew someone who came in and volunteered for all staff council / 'green' compliance / H&S etc etc committees - didn't actually do anything productive and got a very good annual increase on the strength of it....

He was also one of the last out when the subsiduary finally slipped beneath the waves...

Good luck.... as long as it takes you closer to where you want to be...

[alreadypacked]

Depends what's on offer I guess.

I don't really have much choice, the market is poo, the job is technically easy, it's 10 mins drive from home, and it fits in very well with my MS due to the nature of the work.

Plus I suppose there are holidays to look forward to again, paid sick, etc.

On the face of it, I'm just grumbling, when there are others who don't have a job at all.

I'll shut up and be thankful, as they like to remind us contractors on site.

My old boss was offered a permie role, booked the next flight to New Zeland as soon as the current contract ended. Couldn't get away quick enough

[thunderlizard]

hold on a minute! When did it change from "offered" to an ultimatum?

[FarmerPalmer]

I've been offered a permie job at all my gigs. I did it once - never again <shudders>.

[Board Game Geek]

Then have a good sit and think about the package.

1. You want 6 weeks leave a year (because you are accustomed to, what, 15?).
2. You want 5 days' technical training per year.
3. x% non-contributory pension.
4. A severance package: 20% of salary if they dismiss you in under 2 years.

They'll shaft you on the salary so try to shaft them on the benefits.

1. I take, on average 15 days a year. Any more and it hits the take home too much.

2. Training for what precisely ? The job is the same today as it was 4 years ago, apart from the quantity of work has increased. Tell a lie. We have rolled out some new software in to the live environments and by the time I fixed the bugs, I learnt enough to support it . The clients systems went down a few times but that's par for the course.

3. At my age, I'd need to save 5 times my salary a month to even make a difference. Can't afford a pension.

4. Not sure that would go down to well.

[threaded]

4. Not sure that would go down to well.

Of course not, what they want is a contractor on the cheap, and this is a polite way of saying don't kid a kidder.

[bobhope]

Then have a good sit and think about the package.

You want 6 weeks leave a year (because you are accustomed to, what, 15?).

You want 5 days' technical training per year.

x% non-contributory pension.

A severance package: 20% of salary if they dismiss you in under 2 years.

etc.

(It's been that long that I cannot remember what goes into a permie package!)

They'll shaft you on the salary so try to shaft them on the benefits.

Severance package + pension is good - if you can get it in writing. Less room for them to wriggle out of it.

Training - they'll lie to you and promise you the earth and what you'll end up is one afternoon of diversity training per year.

Probably best tactic is to say something like:

"Of course I'd love to go permie at your lovely company, it's just that right now I can't <insert some excuse, e.g. tax bill, company year end, etc.> but in 6 months I'd be able to."

Rinse and repeat.