Oh Dear

[Dundeegeorge]

Indeed, sorry about shouting there, but....

Oh well we might as well abondon all our commitments to upholding the law then, better yet abondon the rule of law altogether eh! After all, most people could have taken better precautions couldnt they.

Obviously, these things happen, but that should NOT allow us to think that it is OK in any way shape or form. The same as I do not believe other crimes should be ignored or justified in some way.
The fact that 33% of the populace believes some women are in some way responsible for their own rape means that 33% would sit in a court of law and not uphold justice.

We all (I hope) agree that it's not OK, and is never justified but what can we do about it? Until we return to some kind of law and order in our streets, you have to advise people to be careful.

But also I don't believe that 33% of the populace do hold that view.
Assuming that 50% of the populace (female) don't hold that view then it suggests that 66% of males do hold that view. I think that has to be absolute bollocks. It sounds very much as if it was a skewed poll with some leading questions. And from Amnesty? Well, no obvious agenda but it sounds ludicrous to be honest.

[Phoenix]

That rather depends on whether you advertise to the world in general that you have these desirable worldly possesions and that they may be readily accessible to anyone who desires them.

That is excactly what the rapists are saying.........I fear for this world if everyone has your attitude

[Dundeegeorge]

OH I thought

[QUOTE=Phoenix][QUOTE=FrankScribe]That rather depends on whether you advertise to the world in general that you have these desirable worldly possesions and that they may be readily accessible to anyone who desires them.

That is excactly what the rapists are saying.........I fear for this world if everyone has your attitude

he was suggesting that that is the attitude that rapists have.
So provided that all rapists are imprisoned you don't need to be careful.
Phew that's alright then.

[Phoenix]

[QUOTE=Dundeegeorge][QUOTE=Phoenix]

he was suggesting that that is the attitude that rapists have.
So provided that all rapists are imprisoned you don't need to be careful.
Phew that's alright then.

No he wasn't. He was refering to my analagy, to me saying that if I owned a posh TV, I would be inviting Buglary!!

[FrankScribe]

No, you are quoting a small section out of context. My point was that Rape in any form is not acceptable but, the lady has a responsibility to herself to act responsibly.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with 'dressing to thrill', in fact I applaud it. But to do so and then to render oneself incapable of resisting unwelcome attentions by the intake of an excess of alcohol and/or drugs does seem to be more than a little irresponsible.

[Mustang]

Rape is WRONG. Full stop.

Provocative clothing is a SEPERATE issue - one that can be tied in with feminine attitude. The same way as a "hoody" alone is not a problem but can be when combined with attitude. Neither however condone any violence.

[OwlHoot]

Gentlemen, try a little role reversal here.
I assume that when you go out for a decent night out, or even just for a quiet drink, you try to look your best? (I know you are techy nerds so a little imagination may be required)
You do your hair, put on some nice aftershave and wear you best threads. Then you get a little drunk and everyone becomes your mate, you may even get to the "your my best mate you, I love you" state with a complete stranger.
Should HE turn out to be gay would he be justified in taking you home and buggering you six ways till Tuesday?

If you raise no objection at any stage and remain conscious then yes, the guy would - It's your fault for getting so pissed, just the same as it's your fault, and hard luck, if you stagger under a bus in the same state.

In the same way if a woman (or anyone) in a drunken state but obviously fully conscious and coherent genuinely goes along with sex then guilt or worry about HIV etc the next day are no grounds for an accusation of rape either legally or (I'd argue) even morally, because it's said one only does when drunk what one would like to do but perhaps dare not while sober!

[wendigo100]

Rape is WRONG. Full stop.

Provocative clothing is a SEPERATE issue - one that can be tied in with feminine attitude. The same way as a "hoody" alone is not a problem but can be when combined with attitude. Neither however condone any violence.

I don't think anyone on here is arguing that rape or sexual assault is acceptable, so everyone can stop prefixing their posts to demonstrate what model citizens they are. We know.

I don't think anyone on here would argue that women have the right to dress or act in a sexually provocative way in public, within reason.

This is an issue about reducing risks, rather like not drinking and driving, or not waving your wallet about above your head as you stroll down Brixton high street.

To put it crudely, if you want to do some pr1ck teasing, know the risks.

[FrankScribe]

IThis is an issue about reducing risks, rather like not drinking and driving, or not waving your wallet about above your head as you stroll down Brixton high street.

To put it crudely, if you want to do some pr1ck teasing, know the risks.

In a nutshell, thanks

[DodgyAgent]

degrees of rape

In a nutshell, thanks

I have noticed that no women have contributed to this discussion. I think you will find that many women have been at least "date raped", in other words they have given up the struggle of fighting off an over eager "date", and have simply "given in" as a way of getting rid of him. Many women probably do not care to admit this either because of guilt or for giving the impression that they are an "easy lay". It is simpler for us men, simply because the "little feller" wont perform unless interested.

Whilst rape is wrong there are "grey areas", including "remorse syndrome". The effect however of two types of rape- "oh just to get rid of him/oh okay then" as opposed to being banged on the head and forced at knifepoint are different by degree.

The courts and the law have enough difficulty sorting this out, and I dont know the answer