Czech Republic government caves in to eurosceptic president

[shaunbhoy]

if you can perhaps enlighten as to what else the other allies where supposed to do other than court the Russians I would be quite interested.

Word to the wise. Seeking enlightenment from AtW is a forlorn venture and doomed to failure. See your point though.

HTH

[threaded]

AtW is right.
If we want a level of prosperity we must be in Europe.
Otherwise we can be impoverished but free.
Our choice.
If you think the UK can go it alone having destroyed our economy, dream on.

Live free or diet!

[AtW]

And what exactly where the allies supposed to do?

Britain did a LOT to fight USSR - certainly more than anyone in Europe after WW2, only second to USA because of their resources. So that's a good thing - I am personally very happy to be citizen of a country where its leader (Churchill) made the right call on 2 critical people: Hitler and Stalin (USSR in general).

Some things done were not so pretty however, ie:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/5069500.stm

I can understand why Western Europe would not fight already occuped Eastern European countries and just tried to hold unoccupied territories, but generally speaking it should be said that Eastern Europe was left to be under regime that was no better than nazies.

As far as I am concerned Eastern European states that joined EU now getting some kind of compensation for the decades of Soviet rule that had to endure.

[Board Game Geek]

I prefer my country to govern itself, as it sees fit.

Hear ! Hear !

(Wondering if Czech President Vaclav Klaus is going to have a mysterious but totally explainable accident involving a Sherbet Dib Dab and a game of Buckaroo, in the near future ?)

[sunnysan]

Eh?

Britain did a LOT to fight USSR - certainly more than anyone in Europe after WW2, only second to USA because of their resources. So that's a good thing - I am personally very happy to be citizen of a country where its leader (Churchill) made the right call on 2 critical people: Hitler and Stalin (USSR in general).

Some things done were not so pretty however, ie:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/5069500.stm

I can understand why Western Europe would not fight already occuped Eastern European countries and just tried to hold unoccupied territories, but generally speaking it should be said that Eastern Europe was left to be under regime that was no better than nazies.

As far as I am concerned Eastern European states that joined EU now getting some kind of compensation for the decades of Soviet rule that had to endure.

I would not say that was an example of "help", more like a concession to Stalin at Yalta. What the article declines to mention is that the Cossacks where to more or less of a degree allies of the Nazis. I am pretty sure that Churchill knew that they would be killed as Stalin had already massacred/deported Poles(The officiers at Katyn which the o'Malley report clearly proved was the Russians, and this was swept under the carpet),Tartars and numerous other ethnic groups he percieved to be a threat.

Churchills first public recognition of the Soviet Sphere of influence was in 1946.

As you have stated , and IMO especially in the case of Poland, who the Allies technically went to war to protect ended up as a vassal state of the USSR for nearly 50 years and as you mentioned was not really much better off than under the Nazis.

My point however still stands that the European Allied powers could do little more than appease Stalin and Stalin had already eyed out his potential territorial aquisitions as was evident in the Molotov Ribbentrop Pact.

AFAICS , Stalin treated any kind of dissent in his sphere of influence brutally, regardless of borders, ethnicity or nationality.

To insinuate that the UK was responsible for this, is absurd, in the darkest days of the war the only thing at stake for the UK was their own sovereignty.

[AtW]

I would not say that was an example of "help", more like a concession to Stalin at Yalta.

Oh that's all right then...

What the article declines to mention is that the Cossacks where to more or less of a degree allies of the Nazis.

So you label all Cossacks as allies or nazies, let's maybe kill them all to punish them? Nice views you have.

My point however still stands that the European Allied powers could do little more than appease Stalin and Stalin had already eyed out his potential territorial aquisitions as was evident in the Molotov Ribbentrop Pact.

2nd front should have been opened earlier (1943) BEFORE Stalin crossed European borders, this would have made it much harder for him to occupy big part of Europe.

In any case the matter of fact is that whilst most of Western Europe gotten away from Stalin's clutches, the rest has fallen into his hands and it was not nice life for them. That's why accepting them into EU now and helping them out goes a long way towards making it up to them for the time under Soviet occupation - they "took one for the team" and did it for 50 years.

[Doggy Styles]

AtW this thread is about the EU, not the USSR, although I can see how you can get confused between the two.

[AtW]

AtW this thread is about the EU, not the USSR, although I can see how you can get confused between the two.

Indeed, but who mentioned USSR first?

[Paddy]

[QUOTE=AtW;971931]- I am personally very happy to be citizen of a country where its leader (Churchill) made the right call on 2 critical people: Hitler and Stalin (USSR in general).

QUOTE]

It is historical fact that at the end of WWII Churchill wanted to nuke the USSR before they got their own nuclear weapons. According to the MI6 archives; MI6 was up for it too. If Churchill had his way, AtW would not exist.

[AtW]

It is historical fact that at the end of WWII Churchill wanted to nuke the USSR before they got their own nuclear weapons. According to the MI6 archives; MI6 was up for it too. If Churchill had his way, AtW would not exist.

Churchill had some whacky ideas that were wrong - luckily this country had system where single person could not do everything he wanted, on the other hand he got important things right - if Britain made deal with Hitler in 1940 when it could do so easily, then Barbarossa would have started much ealier with a lot more Luftwaffe on the Eastern front, this would also prevented Land Lease deals - Nazies would have certainly won: I'd take risk of being nuked over that prospect.