Will Ireland vote yes?

[meridian]

Maybe they should vote on whether to have another referendum? They are bound to vote yes...the Irish aren't stupid...

I wouldn't put money on that.

The whole campaign has been confusing, even the same sides put out contradictory messages.

So for example, one No poster complains that under Lisbon, Germany and the UK will get more votes (because they have a greater population), while another No poster complains that under Lisbon the EU will no longer be democratic, conveniently forgetting the "one man one vote" principle.

That's not even counting the blatantly disingenuous posters like "EU = jobs so vote Yes" and "EU supports NAMA so vote No".

The worst poster imo is from a socialist group that simply states "€1.28 minimum wage under Lisbon? Vote No!". When someone complained that that was not true, they simply replied that they were asking a question, not making a statement.....

[Sysman]

I find this thought rather amusing: if the Lisbon Treaty gets ratified, then it is said that Tony Blair will become the first President.

So, the Irish, that fought for an awful long time to get away from being ruled by an Englishman, by voting yes, vote to being ruled by an Englishman.

There's some sort of perverse humour in that.

Good argument. The fact that he's a Scot takes the wind out of it a trifle.

[OwlHoot]

... That's not even counting the blatantly disingenuous posters like "EU = jobs so vote Yes" and "EU supports NAMA so vote No". ...

Good grief it goes from bad to worse. Isn't NAMA that US kiddie fiddler's association ?

Well there's yet another reason to vote "no" if it isn't already too late!

[meridian]

I'm off to vote shortly.

Going to toss a coin.

[minestrone]

Good argument. The fact that he's a Scot takes the wind out of it a trifle.

And he is a Catholic which will go down well.

[threaded]

Good argument. The fact that he's a Scot takes the wind out of it a trifle.

And James I, Hugh Montgomery and James Hamilton were...

The humour still works, even if you look closer.

[Addanc]

Good argument. The fact that he's a Scot takes the wind out of it a trifle.

I would be surprised if the Scots owed up to any association with that twunt.

[Sysman]

The humour still works, even if you look closer.

Indeed it does.

Blair's "conversion" to Catholicism adds another twist. Questions were raised back in 1995 about whether the constitution allowed an RC PM

[minestrone]

Blair was quite fly and kept his Scottishness hidden, he went to a school that would have taught him to speak in a 'British' accent.

As for being a Catholic, he must feckin take hours in the confessional, I wonder how many Hail Marys he got for starting the war.

[centurian]

Indeed it does.

Blair's "conversion" to Catholicism adds another twist. Questions were raised back in 1995 about whether the constitution allowed an RC PM

I really doubt it makes much difference nowadays. Michael Howard is jewish, but it was hardly mentioned in the run up to the 2005 election - although the Catholic issue can be a bit more thorny due to Britain's history.

I don't care what religion the PM is - just as long as they don't run the country according to their religion and expect everyone to follow it.

To his credit, Blair did separate his faith from his job very well. He introduced stem cell research, civil partnerships and a host of other stuff that the Catholic church might not have approved of.