Has this turned into a DIY forum?

[Zippy]

Great argument. The point is you still have to draw a line between freedom to express yourself, and stopping people's expression affecting the lives of those around them. You talk about reasoned debates... but that's imposing rules for freedom.
And by your own logic, was Cyberman ever guilty of "expressing a view in a reasoned debate" when he said Indians are dirty, Scots are stupid, etc?

The line is there already (it moves of course). As soon as an 'authority' decides they don't like what you are saying your 'right' - or more accurately, means - to say it is removed

[RichardCranium]

Great argument. The point is you still have to draw a line between freedom to express yourself, and stopping people's expression affecting the lives of those around them.

I agree. I gave some examples, above, that permit freedom of expression without harming others.

You talk about reasoned debates... but that's imposing rules for freedom.

And? What's wrong with that?

And by your own logic, was Cyberman ever guilty of "expressing a view in a reasoned debate" when he said Indians are dirty, Scots are stupid, etc?

Usually, yes. He expressed a view in a public place and had to tolerate the disagreeing responses of others. He would sometimes then try to counter those responses. (Usually, poorly.)

[Board Game Geek]

dooohg posted : But regardless of that, you'd defend my right to say anything I might choose about black people? It would be ok in your eyes for me to stand on my box in Hyde Park and talk about how Hitler had the right idea about the Jews?

Theoretically, you have the personal right to say anything you like about anything you like.

Whether I agree with you or not is none of my business. If it's a subject I agree with, I might voice my assent. On the other hand, I might not. If it's a subject I strongly disagree with, I might voice my dissent. Then again, I might not.

The day in which we silence other people, for saying things we disagree with, is the day Tyranny triumphs.

Hence why I believe you have should have a platform in Hyde Park to say whatever you like. Whether I agree, disagree, or more likely slip off to the pub, is not relevant.