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Usain Bolt sets new 100m world record

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    #31
    Originally posted by BlackenedBiker View Post
    No I am saying that to suppose that the ENTIRE field is drugs free is perhaps optimistic. Therefore Bolt is beating a dirty athlete by AT LEAST 30% and 2 metres.

    Wow

    I too believe that there is no smoke without fire. In view of Bolt's success he really should be brought into a tougher drug testing regime.

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      #32
      Originally posted by BlackenedBiker View Post
      Bolts training partner is under investigation but Jamaican WADA for drug abuse (with as yet uncategorised substance).

      No smoke without fire.

      Fact is a fair athlete on drugs will beat a very good athlete who is clean as improves performance by around 30%. Are we saying that Bolt is 2 meters better than a dirty athlete who is performing at 130% I think not.

      Or are we saying all of the sprint athletes are clean, again I think not.

      Therefore the likelihood is Bolt is dirty IMHO
      But do you really see smoke here?

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        #33
        Originally posted by expat View Post
        But do you really see smoke here?
        Yes
        Faster, faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death.

        Patience is something you admire in the driver behind you and scorn in the one ahead.

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          #34
          Originally posted by BlackenedBiker View Post
          Yes
          Is 'no smoke without fire' sufficient grounds to accuse a guy of one of the most serious offences a sportsman can commit, which would end his career and possibly land him in jail if he were to commit that offence?

          Personally I prefer to be innocent before proven guilty.

          And what's this '30% improvement' all about? 30% of what?
          Last edited by Mich the Tester; 17 August 2009, 11:21.
          And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014

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            #35
            Originally posted by BlackenedBiker View Post
            Yes
            Perhaps your vision is clouded.

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              #36
              Originally posted by expat View Post
              Amazing. I've just been told why our gold medal winner is not worth even mentioning on BBC Radio news. You miserable tiny-minded pusillanimous gits, some of you deserve what you have made of this once great country.

              Disgusted.......
              Give her an MBE as consolation and yourself one as well for that pathetic whine.

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                #37
                Originally posted by Mich the Tester View Post
                Is 'no smoke without fire' sufficient grounds to accuse a guy of one of the most serious offences a sportsman can commit, which would end his career and possibly land him in jail if he were to commit that offence?

                No Bolt is innocent until proven guilty but the fact is that technology gives an advantage. That is a truism. Therefore the likelihood of cheating is very high. It is understandable considering the potential rewards and the ease with which drugs can be taken and capture avoided in athletics.

                Personally I prefer to be innocent before proven guilty.

                So do the International athletics community and that is why a once great summer sport (track and field) is now relegated to minor TV slots and very little interest by a sceptical audience. Athletics needs to act in the way that Cycling has begun to:ie. name and shame and ban FOR LIFE with seizure of all past winnings of the culprits, no exceptions

                And what's this '30% improvement' all about? 30% of what?

                Of maximum potential without drugs (think Ben Johnson in Olympic final and that was 2 decades ago - think how much better drugs are now)

                please see in line
                Faster, faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death.

                Patience is something you admire in the driver behind you and scorn in the one ahead.

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                  #38
                  Unfortunately, the sport has a long track record ('scuse the pun) of drug taking, so when someone comes along who is so far ahead of everyone else it is only natural that people raise an eyebrow.

                  Personally I'll stick with the "innocent till proven guilty" thing....but it is interesting to note that these conversations are exactly the same as they were for Marion Jones, and look what happened to her.

                  On the other hand, Michael Johnson was a "freak" in the same way that Bolt appears to be though, and he was clean.
                  Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? - Epicurus

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by PM-Junkie View Post
                    Unfortunately, the sport has a long track record ('scuse the pun) of drug taking, so when someone comes along who is so far ahead of everyone else it is only natural that people raise an eyebrow.

                    Personally I'll stick with the "innocent till proven guilty" thing....but it is interesting to note that these conversations are exactly the same as they were for Marion Jones, and look what happened to her.

                    On the other hand, Michael Johnson was a "freak" in the same way that Bolt appears to be though, and he was clean.
                    Not caught: HTH
                    Faster, faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death.

                    Patience is something you admire in the driver behind you and scorn in the one ahead.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by PM-Junkie View Post
                      Unfortunately, the sport has a long track record ('scuse the pun) of drug taking, so when someone comes along who is so far ahead of everyone else it is only natural that people raise an eyebrow.

                      Personally I'll stick with the "innocent till proven guilty" thing....but it is interesting to note that these conversations are exactly the same as they were for Marion Jones, and look what happened to her.

                      On the other hand, Michael Johnson was a "freak" in the same way that Bolt appears to be though, and he was clean.

                      Don't forget that Joyner woman also, who won masses of medals until guilt was proven. We all suspected her and were sadly proven right. Unfortunately Bolt will be tainted until he comes into a stricter testing regime, or unless his form deteriorates and he falls off of the radar.

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