McKinnon to be extradited

[AtW]

Yes but they will have a doctor that will be questioned in front of them on the condition and if that condition describes what the person has.

What I say is that his behavior that I saw in interview and other stuff seems at odds with his supposed condition. I'd love to hear his doctor explaining this discrepancy - he should do that in USA court, I have no problems with that.

You are diagnosing someone who you have never met and you admit that you have no training to do so. Better yet you are quoting stuff from wikipedia to back up your diagnosis.

I don't diagnose - I've formed an opinion on the basis of what I've seen and heard on this subject.

In my opinion McKinnon is a self confessed criminal who is trying everything he can to avoid justice. In doing so he causes massive damage not just to UK taxpayer, but also to anyone else who would be legitimate in trying to fight extraction from this country - he is a false cause to support.

[minestrone]

What I say is that his behavior that I saw in interview and other stuff seems at odds with his supposed condition. I'd love to hear his doctor explaining this discrepancy - he should do that in USA court, I have no problems with that.



I don't diagnose - I've formed an opinion on the basis of what I've seen and heard on this subject.

In my opinion McKinnon is a self confessed criminal who is trying everything he can to avoid justice. In doing so he causes massive damage not just to UK taxpayer, but also to anyone else who would be legitimate in trying to fight extraction from this country - he is a false cause to support.

So have you ever seen a person who you think has aspergers doing an interview and how did that differ from the interviews you have seen McKinnon do?

[AtW]

He suffers from Aspergers, a high-functioning form of autism. Your (as ever) insightful and expert views on another subject show just how little you know.

That's fine mate - I say he should take his arguements to USA court where he'd be able to present expert opinion from his doctor under oath, and prosecution will bring their own experts, he is actually trying to avoid this very actively, my guess is that among other things his medical arguement won't hold much water in court.

Let's say he killed someone in this country, would he then be allowed to get away with it just because he has autism? Maybe he could argue a reduction in sentence, something that I have no doubt he could have done in USA if he went there, pleaded guilty, brought up this medical "evidence", he'd be home long time ago, though with criminal conviction, he wanted to get away with it though, which is precisely why he should now be extradited.

[minestrone]

That's fine mate - I say he should take his arguements to USA court where he'd be able to present expert opinion from his doctor under oath, and prosecution will bring their own experts, he is actually trying to avoid this very actively, my guess is that among other things his medical arguement won't hold much water in court.

Let's say he killed someone in this country, would he then be allowed to get away with it just because he has autism? Maybe he could argue a reduction in sentence, something that I have no doubt he could have done in USA if he went there, pleaded guilty, brought up this medical "evidence", he'd be home long time ago, though with criminal conviction, he wanted to get away with it though, which is precisely why he should now be extradited.

Ever doctor pratices under an oath. they are always under oath, you have been watching a wee bit too much Judging Amy.

[AtW]

So have you ever seen a person who you think has aspergers doing an interview and how did that differ from the interviews you have seen McKinnon do?

I've seen people doing bad interviews (myself included) and people who do very good ones - he is in the latter category. Maybe definition of "social interaction" does not include giving interviews?

In the end it does not alter situation one bit - if he has got medical condition then he should be able to reduce his sentence, maybe not in USA, in which case he should have considered that way before he did what he did, in fact it is important to extradite him now with maximum publicity so that it hopefully will prevent others from getting into such problems. And if not then fine - they'd have nobody to blame but themselves.

[minestrone]

I've seen people doing bad interviews (myself included) and people who do very good ones - he is in the latter category. Maybe definition of "social interaction" does not include giving interviews?

In the end it does not alter situation one bit - if he has got medical condition then he should be able to reduce his sentence, maybe not in USA, in which case he should have considered that way before he did what he did, in fact it is important to extradite him now with maximum publicity so that it hopefully will prevent others from getting into such problems. And if not then fine - they'd have nobody to blame but themselves.

You don't have a bloody clue what aspergers is do you?

[AtW]

Ever doctor pratices under an oath. they are always under oath, you have been watching a wee bit too much Judging Amy.

I'd like his doctor to give evidence in court under oath, and hear other medical experts on this matter. All this requires him to be present in USA court, something he is trying to avoid - it makes me question strength of his medical arguement, especially given that his behavior appears to contradict alleged inability to socially interact etc.

It's simple really - bring him to court, listen to all sides, make decision. It's not like he is being extradited to backwards country with no indepdenent justice system. He also does not face death penalty, as I said - he should have been on the first plane out as soon as he publicly admitted he committed one or more of the crimes he is accused of.

I don't know if he gets finally extradited - but if it happens, then 99% he'd plead guilty there very quickly.

[AtW]

You don't have a bloody clue what aspergers is do you?

I have limited knowledge, but what I know certainly is that aspergers is not anything like schizophrenia, or any other well established mental illness that helps absolve responsibility in crimes, the person in this case has to be put into mental hospital as alternative.

Off to office now.

[EternalOptimist]

Ernie Saunders and Mehgrahi (sp?) are two good examples of why anyone citing a medical condition in these cases should be tasered a few times, just to give them something to whinge about.
So what is it McKinnon ?, drop the appeal, or 50kv to the nadgers ?

[minestrone]

I have limited knowledge, but what I know certainly is that aspergers is not anything like schizophrenia, or any other well established mental illness that helps absolve responsibility in crimes, the person in this case has to be put into mental hospital as alternative.

Off to office now.

Ain't that the truth.