Them riots in Paris

[EddieC]

1,408 vehicles burnt[/B] out

Must be doing wonders for the French motor industry.

[mcquiggd]

At least they have one


Maybe this is an another example of an indirect government subsidy to bypass the legislation we follow but eyeryone else in Europe ignores... another cunning ploy by the French... and then claim an EU subsidy for it so all the other countries end up up paying to keep Renault, Citroen etc in business...

They'll start burning Air France planes next....

[Fleetwood]

Anyone remember the thread some time ago where Milan, Fleetwood and others described the utopia of urban France. No slums, no violence, happy communities. Not like Britain at all.

I only mention this because I said at the time it was total bollocks.

Never have I said that urban France is utopia. I live in a small village 50 miles from Bordeaux, surrounded by trees and vineyards.
I went to Grigny (where it went off last night) once to buy a car and it is awful - just as bad as Hulme or Moss Side.

[darmstadt]

Not just in France

Its spreading...

[Lucifer Box]

Youths set cars on fire overnight in Berlin and Bremen, causing officials to investigate links to the riots in neighboring France.

Five cars burned in Berlin's working class district Moabit on early Monday morning. No one was hurt, according to police reports.

Meanwhile, in the northern city of Bremen, three cars, a closed-off former school building and trash cans were set afire in the Huchting district

To be fair, I think it would be a pretty remarkable night in Bremen if a couple of cars weren't set on fire.

[mcquiggd]

How long until it reaches the UK then chaps...?


I reckon.. 28 Days Later...


So we have about two weeks.



Im so glad I dont drive.

[expat]

To be fair, I think it would be a pretty remarkable night in Bremen if a couple of cars weren't set on fire.

I liked the German response:
Wolfgang Schaeuble, a conservative selected as Chancellor-designate Angela Merkel's interior minister ..... cautioned, however, that "we have to improve integration, particularly of young people. That means above all that they must master the German language."

Yes, "we have to improve integration, they must master the German language"

[mcquiggd]

Ve Hav Vays Of Making You Talk...

Its a shame 'Allo Allo' didn't do an episode where Herr Flick has to crackdown on Muslims firebombing that gay chaps 'little tank'....

My, how we would have laughed....


Currently listening to: 'It's the End of The World As We Know It'....

[ratewhore]

It's indicative of falling standards I tell ya...

Alf Garnett would have had a few choice words to say!

[mcquiggd]

From
United International Press (UIP)

"Walker's World: Europe's Islamic fears
By MARTIN WALKER
UPI Editor

WASHINGTON, Nov. 6 (UPI) -- France's 10 angry nights of violence have thrown into highlight Europe's new double problem of immigration.

Most concern so far has been focused, in the wakes of the terrorist bomb attacks in Madrid on March 11, 2004, and in London on July 7 this summer, on the tiny minorities of homegrown extremists who have been drawn to the Islamist violence of Osama bin Laden and al-Qaida.

But the lesson of Paris, like the lesson of Britain's riots in Brixton and Liverpool in the 1980s, or the specifically Asian riots in the northern towns of Bradford, Oldham and Burnley in 2001, or last year's anti-Muslim attacks on schools and mosques in the Netherlands, is that terrorist extremism is just the tip of a much larger iceberg.

There are deep social and economic resentments building among immigrant minorities in Europe that are so far separate from terrorism. The real fear is they could merge into a single frightening phenomenon of Muslim anger, that today's car-burning North African teenagers in France's slums could become the foot-soldiers or even the suicide bombers of al-Qaida tomorrow.

France's top-selling national daily Le Figaro claimed the essential problem lies with the country's "policy of immigration without control ... the urgent necessity is to control the influx of immigrants, both legal and illegal." Without such controls, "in 15 years, it will be the children of those arriving today who will set fire to the suburbs."

Le Monde, the country's most prestigious daily, blamed the confused response and "disorderly leadership" of the French government, where Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy called the rioters "scum," while Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin tried consultation, and French President Jacques Chirac simply appealed through his spokesman for calm.

"It is time to deal seriously with a serious crisis," Le Monde said, accusing Sarkozy of trying to appeal to the "most right-wing fringe." It blames de Villepin for keeping "silent for five days" in the first week of the crisis.

Other French papers suggest the persistence and spread of the riots to cities around France reveals the way the usual community elders and leaders of the mainly North African immigrant community have lost control of their young, in deprived neighborhoods that are increasingly under the control of drug lords and other criminal gangs.

"We must not abandon entire areas to the violence of a minority which ruins first and foremost the lives of those living in the suburbs," said the left-of-center daily Liberation. It called on the government to give local officials, mediators and civic organizations "the means -- financial above all else -- to ensure order, if it is to have any chance of lasting."

These districts, mainly public housing projects on the outskirts of major towns and cities, "can no longer accept being held hostage by the violence of the local gangs," reports France Soir. "The frustration of the local community has reached its limits," said Aujourd'hui En France/Le Parisien. Le Figaro, featuring a front-page photo of locals trying to shop in a street market, surrounded by burned-out cars, said the "The local community can't take it any more."

France has the highest proportion of immigrants in Europe, more than 6 million people, or 10 percent of the population, and the vast majority is of North African Muslim descent. But the latest wave of riots started, not with them but with French-speaking blacks from Ivory Coast and Senegal, not all of them Muslim, but who face similar problems of unemployment, poor housing and few opportunities to make their way into the broad prosperity of French society.

In Britain, the situation is different, with some 1.6 million Muslims, of whom half seem to be prosperous, employed, and highly successful. Muslims of Indian origin, for example, produce more doctors and university graduates than the native-born white British. The main problem in Britain is Asians of Pakistani origin in the decayed textile towns of northern England, where there are fewer jobs and opportunities, and where equally deprived local whites have been voting for anti-immigrant extremists like the British National Party.

In the Netherlands, where the killing by a young Islamist just over a year go of filmmaker Theo van Gogh provoked a brief spasm of attacks on mosques and Muslim schools, the prospect of a white backlash against immigration came much earlier, with the stunning political rise of Pim Fortuyn, gunned down by a left-wing environmentalist assassin three years ago. The populist political party he formed was then briefly catapulted into government on Fortuyn's message that Islam was "a backward culture ... if it were legally possible, I'd say no more Muslim should ever enter this country."

The white backlash against Islamic immigration, even before it took its terrorist turn in Madrid and London, has thrown up a series of anti-immigration parties. France's Front National is the best known, after its candidate Jean-Marie le Pen defeated the Socialist Prime Minister Lionel Jospin to come second in the 2002 presidential election with 18 percent of the vote.

But similar leaders like Filip Dewinter of Belgium's Vlaams Blok and Jorg Haider of Austria have emerged, and mainstream parties and leaders like Denmark's Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen have been strongly influenced by them. Denmark has slashed welfare benefits for immigrants during their first seven years, raised the waiting period for permanent residency from three to seven years, restricted "family reunions" and foreign spouses and demands a nine-year waiting period and a Danish language and history exam before any immigrant can apply for citizenship.

Europe, however, is torn between its concern over Muslim immigration and its need for young workers and taxpayers to tackle the looming demographic problem of low European birth rates and the imminent retirement of the baby-boom generation. The dilemma has become a divisive political issue over Turkey's application to join the European Union, which was a major factor in the decision of Dutch and French voters to reject the EU's draft new constitution last summer.

"Fear of the Islamic communities within the EU has been exacerbated by the attacks of 9/11 and the events following, for example, the discovery of 'sleeper cells' of al-Qaida and other terrorist groups in Hamburg and other cities and the bombings in London in July," writes former EU Commissioner and chairman of Britain's Conservative Party Chris Patten, who is now chancellor of Oxford University, in a forthcoming new book "Cousins and Strangers" (Times Books, $26.00).

"In the Netherlands and France, and in Britain too, we have also seen assaults, not on the Christian nature of our European societies, but on something that has not always been synonymous with Christianity, the tolerance we prize above all else," Patten adds.

But more than just tolerance will be required to tackle the double problem of Islamic terror cells, and the far more widespread anger and resentment of Europe's large and growing (and under-privileged) Muslim communities, and the white backlash against them both.
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Basically, France is fecked, we're next, then the rest of Europe.