US to go tits up in September

[Cliphead]

You're just meeting the wrong kind of girl there, Clip.

In the past definitley, can't say the same currently

[AlfredJPruffock]

Before you all head for the Hills - take a look at what some of those commentators had to say about y2k - sky is falling , chaos etc etc - sorry to spoil your doomsday chaps , the US economy is gaining momentum and by September will be very much in the ascendancy along with the Global economy.

IF you must have something to worry about - may I suggest the collision with Andromeda Galaxy - dont scoff ...4.5 Billion years isnt that far away .

Keeps me awake at night - well for about three seconds .

[BrilloPad]

Its the Armstrong thread all over again.

Keep predicting disaster every few months and eventually it will come true.

Cant wait to see what sasguru has to say about this.

[AlfredJPruffock]

...for those whom require something more immediate than 4 billion years Apocalypitc event to worry about you could always worry about Betelgeuse ... let me know how scary this one is ... I dont have time to read it as Im off for my evening promenade au bord de la Mer ... have a nice doomsday



.. I am not one to get excited easily or engage in fear mongering, but we may be very close to having a major Supernova event in this neighborhood of our galaxy.

Science is science, physics is physics, stars are stars, and the Universe is what it is.

It could be a great light show and a historic event, or it could be an event that is sort of the Revelations equivalent of ending life on our planet with the Armageddon fire and brimstone thrown in for effects.

I like to know what is headed at me and Betelgeuse in Supernova mode could be like 'something wicked this way comes' at our home planet.

According to those brainiacs out at the Cal Berkeley Observatory, in recent years (since 1993, the pinheads have sat on this news for a while) the star has shrunk by about 15%.


That may not sound like much but folks, Betelgeuse is one colossal star. It is the 9th largest super-massive red giant star that our astronomers and astrophysicists know about and it is in our 'neighborhood' so to speak as it is about 400 to 600 light years away. Regardless of the exact distance * it could well be the closest and biggest Supernova in the history of our planet when it blows up. Every indication is. it is going to blow up in a spectacular Supernova.

That may be the day that 'doomsday' is emphatically defined on our species.

We do not have any experience with a Supernova blowing up in our backyard, so this might turn out to be one of those 'hair on fire' moments, figuratively and literally. The potential is definitely there for some very bad things to happen if certain factors fall into place and those factors are not in our favor.
Due to the nature of the star, this would be the more violent Type II Supernova that can be quite extreme when the star is a super-massive, super giant and decides it is time to 'go postal'.

There have been many Supernovas all over the Universe for many billions of years. I feel pretty safe in saying that many civilizations and planets that had developed life forms have been erased by such Supernovas.

Just to make sure I had the math right, I looked up other well-known Supernova remnants. When the star went to Supernova that created M1 (Messier 1, or the Crab Nebula), it was visible during the day for 23 days according to written records of that time.


That was a tremendous amount of light to be blasted across the galaxy and reach Earth in that magnitude. That happened in 1054 AD but that Supernova is about 6,500 light years from Earth. Imagine that. 23 days visible during the day from 6,500 light years away.

The Chinese historians referred to it as The Guest Star.

Betelgeuse is a mere 400-600 light years from Earth or one-tenth or less the distance to the Crab Nebula. If one is a golfer in galactic terms that would be akin to a short wedge chip shot from Earth compared to the entire length of a golf course out where the Crab Nebula is located.

They are not sure how big the Crab Nebula star was that went into supernova mode, but the remnant alone that is visible to us is 11 light years across.


Due to distance, that '11 light years across' is what it looked like as of 6,500 years ago because it takes that long for the light to travel from the Crab Nebula to Earth. The nearest star to Earth is Alpha Centauri at about 4.37 light years, so, yes, 11 light years across is a big 'post-supernova' debris field. That alone is evidence of a huge explosion of a star and it is probably still expanding.

The Supernova Remnants tend to decelerate in expansion over time but some recent ones (SN 1987A and SN 1993J) have not and they are still studying why they are not slowing down. They are both also of the Type II Supernova variety. Some of the known supernova remnants are still expanding at very fast rates and have been for thousands to millions of years. As Supernovas tend to do, they are defying the math and doing what they want to do in spite of what physicists here on Earth come up with in their calculations.

The ejected matter of most Supernova Remnants starts off around 10,000 km per second and then sort of settle in to where they are expanding at variable rates in the range of about 1,000 to 3,000 kilometers per second. However, there are some that have parts expanding along those lines while other parts of the same supernova remnants have been measured at about 2,000,000 kilometers per second.

That is just the remnant and matter that was not converted in the thermonuclear blast to energy. The massive energy waves are traveling at the speed of light. Those energy waves will easily reach Earth and fast.

They are each unique and each is potentially very deadly to the region that it happened in just due to the sheer power that is generated. Some of the supernova remnants and events are sort of like an enigma within an anomaly.

These are not firecrackers or 4th of July rockets to add color and entertainment to the Cosmos. They are Supernovas that generate colossal amounts of energy at mindboggling levels. If one happened to live in a Solar System or nearby where a Supernova occurred, they were so screwed. Some Supernovas generate more power in that split second than our Sun ever has or ever will generate throughout its entire life.

That is sort of what has me pondering what the headline news might look like soon.

Since our 'current image' of the Crab Nebula is now about 6,500 years old, the debris field after that explosion may well stretch out to 400 light years across by now or more. We do not have updated information as to exact size due to the distance and time required for light to travel here. Even the light from the Crab Nebula that arrives while you are reading this is 6,500 years out of date as to what it really looks like at this very moment out there where the supernova remnant is located.

I do not mean to sound flippant but what we see here is irrelevant because it is all dated information due to the vastness of this Universe. What is really going on out there is relevant and that is why Betelgeuse might be the biggest threat to our planet that mankind has ever faced or will ever face.

If one knows anything about Supernova Remnants, these are the nurseries where new stars are born and the entire cycle starts over. Problem is that having new star making material in our neighborhood, and eventually new stars, is not a formula for the long term health of our planet.

Unlike the beliefs of our presumptive idiots in DC, I am often reminded that this Solar System and this Universe do not revolve around Washington, DC or Wall Street or those who have proven again and again that they are the worst among us.

Just imagine the Crab Nebula as 'ground zero' and the news we get is 6,500 years out of date as to what it really looks like now. It was a colossal event way back then and it is still a colossal event today. We are sort of out of the loop because we are so far away.

That could sort of put Betelgeuse remnants smack dab into our solar system in a similar incident when it too turns into a ground zero.


Sort of like, 'Honey, don't worry about that elephant in the living room. Soon a part of a supernova star will be permanently parked where we live. And don't worry let the greedy bastards foreclose on the house.

It is probably going to spontaneously burst into flames any way when the Betelgeuse energy waves arrive!"

[bogeyman]

...for those whom require something more immediate than 4 billion years Apocalypitc event to worry about you could always worry about Betelgeuse ... let me know how scary this one is ... I dont have time to read it as Im off for my evening promenade au bord de la Mer ... have a nice doomsday



.. I am not one to get excited easily or engage in fear mongering, but we may be very close to having a major Supernova event in this neighborhood of our galaxy.

Science is science, physics is physics, stars are stars, and the Universe is what it is. ...

Just had to quote that post AJP.

What the hell kind of drugs are you on?

I know the usual thing is to say "Hey! give me some of the drugs he's on", but in this case, I would most certainly decline.

[BrilloPad]

for those whom require something more immediate than 4 billion years Apocalypitc event to worry about you could always worry about Betelgeuse

Wasn't that a character in hitchhikers guide to the galaxy?

[bogeyman]

Wasn't that a character in hitchhikers guide to the galaxy?

No.

I think AJP has finally blown his mind and is away with the fairies.

[HairyArsedBloke]

Some U.S. embassies worldwide are being advised to purchase massive amounts of local currencies; enough to last them a year.

This story, or one like it, has been around for ages, but suddenly kicked off again about a month ago.

It was a load of bollo then as it is now.

Edit:

BTW, that is not to say that the US, and by extension the rest of the world, isn’t going to titsup.com in September. I believe that the recovery in the markets is a bit illusory. Once the big boys come back from their holidays in the UK (summer bank holiday) and the US (Labour day) things will get a well iffy (which happens to be early-mid September).

[AlfredJPruffock]

Wasn't that a character in hitchhikers guide to the galaxy?

You mean BeetleJuice perhaps - yes it was from the HitchHikers guide - that made me laugh a bit -altough I think the guy who wtote this wasnt aware of that irony - looks lke its from an American ... Sorry Bogeyman but there you have it .

As for the Supernova story - its not from moi Boegeyman- Im not away with the faeries nor investment bankers for that matter - and drugs - are so boring and retro - dont you think ?

But its makes just as much sense as the Financial Doom story - you can make people worry over any most thing.


I never worry
Why should I care?
Its all going to fade away ...

[bogeyman]

You mean BeetleJuice perhaps - yes it was. Sorry Bogeyman but there you have it .

As for the Supernova story - its not from moi Boegeyman- Im not away with the faries nor investment bankers for that matter - and drugs - are so boring and retro - dont you think ?

But its makes just as much sense as the Financial Doom story - you can make people worry over any most thing.


I never worry
Why should I care?
Its all going to fade away ...

Ok. There there.

NURSE !