Terrorists are still around...

[sasguru]

Oh dear - where is the section for when... "sasguru loses the argument once again and resorts to cut and paste in a desperate attempt to salvage his credibility and dignity"....?

This particular logical fallacy isn't even listed, as its the most basic one that kids use. How very sad.
My fallacy is that I assume I'm debating an intelligent person.

[Chico]

Oh yes pre history Greek democracy - what utopia. Where women, children, slaves, foreigners and resident aliens — groups that together made up a majority of the population — had no rights to participate in that democracy. Well thank God for the spread of Christianity in Greece and the Roman Empire

[sasguru]

Until the enlightenment circa 17th Century, power actually lay with the church and the monarchy which acted as a de-facto dictatorship. Our current concept of democracy is a product of the rejection of the clerical dictatorship.

[Rebecca Loos]

Chico you are not being intellectually honest. Greek democracy was no utopia, it simply assimilated what was believed in those times (that slavery was OK), but for its citizens it was democracy nonetheless.

If I remember rightly, the early Christian democracy were not too hot on women either.
When British parliamentary monarchy started, slavery was still legal too

[Chico]

Chico you are not being intellectually honest. Greek democracy was no utopia, it simply assimilated what was believed in those times (that slavery was OK), but for its citizens it was democracy nonetheless.

If I remember rightly, the early Christian democracy were not too hot on women either.
When British parliamentary monarchy started, slavery was still legal too

And read about the suffragettes and abolitionists and you find that it was their Christian beliefs which drove them to fight the prevailing norms. Christians have been fighting prejudice in whatever form they find it, wherever they find it

"..There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus..." Gal 3:28

[Rebecca Loos]

Chico I am not disagreeing with the theory of Christian principles - I like them and they are good.

But they are necessarily applied by Christian people and institutions - as proved throughout history

[Chico]

Chico I am not disagreeing with the theory of Christian principles - I like them and they are good.

But they are necessarily applied by Christian people and institutions - as proved throughout history

Not sure I understand your second point.

[Chico]

I suspect that the rest of us do.

Thomas Torquemada was allegedly a Christian...

Not sure he would he would pass the WWJD test.

[ALM]

Who set up the democracies in those countries? Answer the Christian West.

The West has indeed led the way in economic, scientific and political progress over the last 200 years or so. Of course you would have us believe this is all thanks to holy trinity or because Jesus died on a wooden cross or some other garbage you believe in.

Chico, you're obviously a deluded bafoon but you may have noticed that most of your fellow humans are not quite so stupid to hold such opinions. Have a nice weekend.

[Chico]

Ermmm... is that right most of the people on this planet believe in a God.. Get with times dude..