Michael Jackson Dies from Cardiac Arrest

[The Lone Gunman]

Neither MJ or OJ have been found guilty of kiddy fiddling or murder respectively.
A criminal court "not guilty" verdict or the charges being dropped means they are not guilty no matter what some of us may believe.
If we believe in our legal system then we have to believe these men are not guilty as the alternative is going back to lynch mobs and witch burning.

There are any number of reasons why a child would be able to describe MJs naked body. Is it at all possible that he has a swimming pool and comunal shower facilities? If my memory was good enough I could describe at least 3 of my school teachers from the gym showers.
I can easily see then how a litigant parent would see the opportunity when a child comes home saying they have seen MJs willy.
I can see why MJ would pay them off much in the same way as a responsible parent may not want to put their child through a court case as someone on this forum pointed out in a similar discussion.

Bottom line is MJ has been accused, tried and found not guilty, or had the charges withdrawn and that makes him not guilty.

[centurian]

Neither MJ or OJ have been found guilty of kiddy fiddling or murder respectively.
A criminal court "not guilty" verdict or the charges being dropped means they are not guilty no matter what some of us may believe.
If we believe in our legal system then we have to believe these men are not guilty as the alternative is going back to lynch mobs and witch burning.

Bottom line is MJ has been accused, tried and found not guilty, or had the charges withdrawn and that makes him not guilty.

I agree that legally both are not guilty of their respective crimes and must remain as such.

But that doesn't mean we are forced to continue as if nothing happened. We are free to make our own choices and decisions regarding the person/verdict.

If your neighbour was found not guilty of kiddy fiddling, would you let them babysit on they basis that they were not convicted of any crime.

A not guilty verdict doesn't mean everyone has to pretend that it didn't happen.

I really wanted to go and see MJ at the O2, but felt that it all balance of probability, he was a paedophile and therefore I didn't want my money going to him. That's my choice to make - others may make the same choice, or not. The law can't tell us what to do in that respect just because he's not guilty.

[Bagpuss]

I can see why MJ would pay them off much in the same way as a responsible parent may not want to put their child through a court case as someone on this forum pointed out in a similar discussion.

You see nothing peculiar in him paying millions of pounds so that the 'victim' would not testify. He did it to protect the child, come on, you don't really believe that?

People make out of court settlements because they are advised the outcome would be much worse should the matter went to court.

[The Lone Gunman]

I agree that legally both are not guilty of their respective crimes and must remain as such.

But that doesn't mean we are forced to continue as if nothing happened. We are free to make our own choices and decisions regarding the person/verdict.

If your neighbour was found not guilty of kiddy fiddling, would you let them babysit on they basis that they were not convicted of any crime.

A not guilty verdict doesn't mean everyone has to pretend that it didn't happen.

I really wanted to go and see MJ at the O2, but felt that it all balance of probability, he was a paedophile and therefore I didn't want my money going to him. That's my choice to make - others may make the same choice, or not. The law can't tell us what to do in that respect just because he's not guilty.

That is entirely your opinion to hold, however were you to accuse him of being such, or even express such an opinion in the accusative then that would be wrong and possibly actionable.

For Baggy: You have been accused of being Lucys stalker by a number of people on this board. You say that it is her that is the stalker. Based on the evidence presented here you are guilty. Any problems with that?

[The Lone Gunman]

You see nothing peculiar in him paying millions of pounds so that the 'victim' would not testify. He did it to protect the child, come on, you don't really believe that?

People make out of court settlements because they are advised the outcome would be much worse should the matter went to court.

People have paid out when innocent before.

My own opinion of MJ is that in all probability he has done something innapropriate though I am not sure if it was of a sexual nature. I also believe he is not mentaly stable. I do not believe he is a sexual predator like Glitter. Jackson was mentaly a child and anything he has done was done as a child. That would not excuse him, but I am willing to balance my opinions based on that.

[oraclesmith]

Not mentally unstable? No, he's......er, just a black man who wanted to be a white boy.

Anyhow, why is everyone a fan now he's dead? What happened to the 'Wacko Jacko buys the ranch' headlines I was expecting?

[Bagpuss]

Fair enough, IMHO the Chandler case was pretty damning. The later case had a more sinister element (parents seemed to be pimping their child). I don't buy the child in a man's body routine though, I think that was just a convienient rouse.

[pzz76077]

People have paid out when innocent before.

My own opinion of MJ is that in all probability he has done something innapropriate though I am not sure if it was of a sexual nature. I also believe he is not mentaly stable. I do not believe he is a sexual predator like Glitter. Jackson was mentaly a child and anything he has done was done as a child. That would not excuse him, but I am willing to balance my opinions based on that.

MJ was found not guilty as charged.

Not even the most sleezy of tabloid journalists could dig up any evidence that stuck, so not likely that there is any IMV.

I believe that MJ paid of the other side as he wasn't mentally up to appearing in court himself.

PZZ

[Cyberman]

Lastest news is he did not have a heart attack but pure cardiac arrest probably due to drugs. What a fool !!

[PM-Junkie]

Neither MJ or OJ have been found guilty of kiddy fiddling or murder respectively.
A criminal court "not guilty" verdict or the charges being dropped means they are not guilty no matter what some of us may believe.
If we believe in our legal system then we have to believe these men are not guilty as the alternative is going back to lynch mobs and witch burning.

There are any number of reasons why a child would be able to describe MJs naked body. Is it at all possible that he has a swimming pool and comunal shower facilities? If my memory was good enough I could describe at least 3 of my school teachers from the gym showers.
I can easily see then how a litigant parent would see the opportunity when a child comes home saying they have seen MJs willy.
I can see why MJ would pay them off much in the same way as a responsible parent may not want to put their child through a court case as someone on this forum pointed out in a similar discussion.

Bottom line is MJ has been accused, tried and found not guilty, or had the charges withdrawn and that makes him not guilty.

Not in the USA it doesn't. In the USA it is all about money....if you can afford the best defence lawyers you can get away with murder, because the prosecuting lawyers are typically weaker and/or don't know all the tricks.

Everyone knows that in that way you can buy "innocence" in the USA. Just as everyone knows there are loads of innocent people in US jails because they couldn't afford a decent lawyer. Their legal system sucks.

Jackson was a pedophile, and as such I say good riddance.