Yay, some doom

[Mich the Tester]

good categories

Thankyou, but unfortunately I may have unwittingly provided Jacqboots with an idea.

[PM-Junkie]

The cards will always be voluntary but they will push through some anti Money laundering legislation that means that you cannot get a financial product or open a bank account unless you have a card.

You heard it here first.

Sorry to break it to you old bean, but not even close. People like NO2ID have been harping on about that for years.

[Menelaus]

Yes. Perhaps there is historical data that can help. We'd perhaps need to categorize people's level of subversive potential (likeliness to take part in subversion) into, for example;

1 active rebels who will subvert for the hell of it anyway - can be discounted as nutcases (Stalinist)

2 leaders who will under certain circumstances organise subversion - can be claimed to have been bought-off (Weimar Germany)

3 armchair-angry types who will talk tough but act like sheep unless stimulated by group 2 to get into action - majority of UK population, more's the pity

4 conformist gits who will do as the state tells them under any circumstances (the 'nothing to fear if you've nothing to hide' brigade) - Hateful NIMBYs

5 Nu Labour - the worst possible kind, the True Believers, cf most of the BBC

Obviously this list would need refinement, but would need to be kept to a manageable number of categories.

Notes as above.

[Mich the Tester]

Sorry to break it to you old bean, but not even close. People like NO2ID have been harping on about that for years.

All over Europe ID cards are compulsory. I believe only Britain and possibly Ireland remain as the last vestiges of liberty where you can actually go outdoors without having to be able to prove your identity to some state quisling. This places a huge responsibility on the British public.

[Zippy]

About MTTs point - how many people will it take to subvert the ID card plans? Assuming this shower are in power for the next year, I would ask how many will be able to afford 60 quid for a card. It may be a pragmatic view but I think it's likely to have a greater influence on whether people sign up or not.

[AlfredJPruffock]

About MTTs point - how many people will it take to subvert the ID card plans? Assuming this shower are in power for the next year, I would ask how many will be able to afford 60 quid for a card. It may be a pragmatic view but I think it's likely to have a greater influence on whether people sign up or not.

I expect that the month before the ID Card release they wilk announce that for a limited period you will be able to get them for 20 quid - people love a bargain - they'll be flying out.

Perfect.

[Mich the Tester]

About MTTs point - how many people will it take to subvert the ID card plans? Assuming this shower are in power for the next year, I would ask how many will be able to afford 60 quid for a card. It may be a pragmatic view but I think it's likely to have a greater influence on whether people sign up or not.

They’ll make it a condition for getting unemployment benefit and then ‘lend’ people the 60 quid to buy one; then people will have to pay interest for the privilege of being turned into lemmings.

[suityou01]

The cards will always be voluntary but they will push through some anti Money laundering legislation that means that you cannot get a financial product or open a bank account unless you have a card.

You heard it here first.

Oh now that's good. Top work Minestrone.

[AlfredJPruffock]

Oh now that's good. Top work Minestrone.

How about - the absence of an ID Card may delay your access to state benefits.

[EternalOptimist]

Apparently if you flick them (the cards), they make a distinctive sound.


Mind you, so do the missus's nips