Would you ever employ someone that has been in prison?

[AtW]

We live in a country where you can get a criminal record for travelling in the first class compartment of a train with a standard ticket. You can even get one for putting the wrong rubbish in the wrong bin.

Prove it.

Not every criminal case makes up that dreaded "criminal record" - getting 3 points (unless its fixed penalty) is also criminal issue, however it's not "criminal record" which only comprises of serious crimes.

[sappatz]

pimps

in your list of criminals, do you include UK IT agency pimps and slave runners who sometimes import here third-world manpower below minimum salary

[Moscow Mule]

Prove it.

Not every criminal case makes up that dreaded "criminal record" - getting 3 points (unless its fixed penalty) is also criminal issue, however it's not "criminal record" which only comprises of serious crimes.

You need to look up the definition of "Criminal Record". You don't necessarily get one with points on your licence. If you are convicted of a crime in the UK, you will have a criminal record, even if you were not sentenced to prison.

You can get one for displaying something as simple displaying a sign somebody doesn't like at a demonstration.

[AtW]

You need to look up the definition of "Criminal Record". You don't necessarily get one with points on your licence. If you are convicted of a crime in the UK, you will have a criminal record, even if you were not sentenced to prison.

That's exactly my point - some (most?) of the criminal offences (exceeding statutory speed limit is one of them) don't make up this so-called "criminal record".

http://www.legalbanter.co.uk/uk-lega...l-offence.html

Same goes for this supposed example of travelling in first class with standard class ticket - by itself it's not even criminal offence, the only way it may become so if you commit further crimes like hit the conductor who tried to charge you the money or refuse to pay fine and it ends up in court and then you do something really stupid.

[Moscow Mule]

Speeding is a crime. It's an anomaly that it doesn't always show up on a CRB check (Criminal record).

[AtW]

It's an anomaly that it doesn't always show up on a CRB check (Criminal record).

I don't think its an anomaly, it's just this whole area of "criminal record" is poorly defined and there is a lot of misunderstanding: it should not show up on CRB at all in theory.

[minestrone]

Speeding is a crime. It's an anomaly that it doesn't always show up on a CRB check (Criminal record).

Speeding will not show up on your criminal record. It is an offence not a crime.

[AtW]

It is an offence not a crime.

It's a criminal offence (if it goes to court - fixed penalty isn't).

[minestrone]

It's a criminal offence (if it goes to court - fixed penalty isn't).

I'm pretty sure it is categorised as an offence, similar to dropping litter, you are not branded a criminal. Although I am no legal expert, I was a developer with the police for some time.

[ASB]

You can only get someone's record with their permission. Access to any record is very strictly controlled and there are people who just look to see who has been looking at what.

I know what you are saying, but those statements are mutually exclusive. Anybody watching to make sure permission is obtained themselves doesn't have permission.

In any event does a CRB - standard or full - actually require permission in all cases? Applying for a taxi license for example will cause a check but doesn't specfically require permission from the applicant (though it may well be implied they have given it).