Caning pupils 'can be effective behaviour control'

[BrilloPad]

Most lessons are disrupted by a single child : get rid of the ringleader and the problem would go away?

[rhubarb]

One of the reasons many teachers supported the end of corporal punishment is that children are getting bigger and more assertive; once they’re about 13, boys are likely and often quite able to fight back, as I remember one or two doing at my school, much to the shock (and pain) of the teachers involved.

How was corporal punishment dished out in your school ?
Did the teacher have a cane in the classroom and administer it as and when he/she felt necessary ?

When I were a lad, (mid 80's), if the cane was required the child and their parents met with the headmaster, and the caning (on the hand I believe) was carried out with the parents present.

Rhubarb.

[Mich the Tester]

How was corporal punishment dished out in your school ?
Did the teacher have a cane in the classroom and administer it as and when he/she felt necessary ?

When I were a lad, (mid 80's), if the cane was required the child and their parents met with the headmaster, and the caning (on the hand I believe) was carried out with the parents present.

Rhubarb.

The headmaster and a couple of department heads used belts or canes. No parents present as it was a boarding school. One kid who was quite heftily built ripped the belt out of the head of maths' hand and started strangling him with it. One week later the deputy head tried to cane someone who turned round after the first whack and lamped him so hard he was off work for two weeks with concussion and a broken nose. The kid broke his fingers, police were called in and the local bobby advised the head to put an end to all this before it ended in nasty prosecutions. It only takes one child to fight back for a chain reaction to start.

It didn't happen to me, but I was 5'4'' and about 11 stone when I was 13, which is not large for an adult but certainly large enough to make any average sized adult think twice about starting a fight. Looking at the 13 year olds at my rugby club in NL these days is frankly terrifying; they're tall, well built and quite capable of defending themselves against a middle aged man with a stick.

[d000hg]

The headmaster and a couple of department heads used belts or canes. No parents present as it was a boarding school. One kid who was quite heftily built ripped the belt out of the head of maths' hand and started strangling him with it. One week later the deputy head tried to cane someone who turned round after the first whack and lamped him so hard he was off work for two weeks with concussion and a broken nose. The kid broke his fingers, police were called in and the local bobby advised the head to put an end to all this before it ended in nasty prosecutions. It only takes one child to fight back for a chain reaction to start.

That's an interesting point... has the UK already changed so much that it's too late to bring back corporal punishment, even if it was considered moral? Kids who threaten teachers with knives are unlikely to stand there and be beaten.
On the other hand, group dynamics are interesting... a 'show of force' could lead to the whole class becoming better - but a rebellion is a real likelihood especially in rougher schools.

Personally I don't know where you'd draw the line on what's acceptable, but the ability of those in authority (teachers, parents, police) to issue a swift clip round the ear prevents them being rendered largely impotent as they seem to be now. These days, authority works ONLY as long as the kids don't realise they can't be forced to do anything. Pupils can't be stopped from just telling the teacher to eff off and walking out... or when told to go and see the head they can just sit there and say "make me" safe that the teacher can't.

[Mich the Tester]

That's an interesting point... has the UK already changed so much that it's too late to bring back corporal punishment, even if it was considered moral? Kids who threaten teachers with knives are unlikely to stand there and be beaten.
On the other hand, group dynamics are interesting... a 'show of force' could lead to the whole class becoming better - but a rebellion is a real likelihood especially in rougher schools.

My school wasn't exactly rough, but rebellion still happened. Forget it, it just won't work these days.

[d000hg]

Can we cane the parents instead?

[Bagpuss]

I believe lots of young adults like to get caned these days

[BrilloPad]

I believe lots of young adults like to get caned these days

How do you know?

[FSM with Cheddar]

Can we cane the parents instead?

Would you have a rubber hose available instead of a cane?

[minestrone]

My mum just retired there at 70 after nearly 50 years of working in education. Her view is that the education in the UK is just going down and down.

Both my parents came from a really tough area and just now the life expectancy there is in the 50s for men, but the standard of education they got in the 40s was probably of a far higher standard than today because you will get a couple of thugs in each class taking everyone down. That never happened back then becasue they were dealt with. My uncle gave up teaching in the 60s, my mum heard that the headmaster had to drag him in and tell him to stop hitting the kids.