Public Sector Pensions

[ratewhore]

I'm an outreach worker for Yemeni one-legged lesbians at Lewisham Council. I work really hard integrating one-legged lesbians from Yemen into the community so I want my public-sector pension.

You're all a bunch of fascist ****tards if you don't agree...

[Mich the Tester]

I'm an outreach worker for Yemeni one-legged lesbians at Lewisham Council. I work really hard integrating one-legged lesbians from Yemen into the community so I want my public-sector pension.

You're all a bunch of fascist ****tards if you don't agree...

Did they force you to live in Lewisham? Can't you sue them under human rights legislation?

[ratewhore]

Did they force you to live in Lewisham? Can't you sue them under human rights legislation?

**** that!! I live in Blackheath...

[BrowneIssue]

I'm an outreach worker for Yemeni one-legged lesbians at Lewisham Council. I work really hard integrating one-legged lesbians from Yemen into the community so I want my public-sector pension.

In which case you will be on a local authority fixed term contract (possibly 24 months but probably 12) on at best £18k and that includes your inner London weighting. You won't know from one financial year to the next whether your section will exist and if you express an opinion, you're out.

A tulip job. tulip conditions. tulip location.

What you call a salary, I call my VAT payment. I reckon I own you.

It's just a shame I don't want you.


Happy days.

[ratewhore]

In which case you will be on a local authority fixed term contract (possibly 24 months but probably 12) on at best £18k and that includes your inner London weighting. You won't know from one financial year to the next whether your section will exist and if you express an opinion, you're out.

A tulip job. tulip conditions. tulip location.

What you call a salary, I call my VAT payment. I reckon I own you.

It's just a shame I don't want you.


Happy days.

I'm calling the Union.

Bastard!!

[Cyberman]

I completely agree.

Pension details are part of your Terms and Conditions when you get a job in the Public Sector (or at least they used to be when I used to work there). All civil servant of say 10 years ago effectively signed contracts to say "yes we'll take sh*t pay, and give our career aspirations up for this moral destroying sh*te job...in return for nice flexi time and an excellent Pension package."

This is a contract - it morally, and I would have thought legally(??), shouldn't be taken away from them.

I could see your point if they were on **** pay, but the average wage is now higher than in the private sector.

[Cyberman]

Terminate their contracts and make them work as Contractors through a limited company.

That sorts the pension problem out and then you can get the tax by applying IR35.

Sorted.

Or simply privatise them, as they are doing to the Post Office.

[crimdon]

I could see your point if they were on **** pay, but the average wage is now higher than in the private sector.

Probably all the minimum wage jobs dragging the private sector avagages down.

Just had a quick look here and it appears the average salary for advertised jobs is around 20k. Some of these positions are intelligence analysts too.

I believe the UK average is around 24k

[Solidec]

Whatever has happened in the past happened. Honour the contracts and deal with the financial fallout.

BUT

For the future, the next government really DOES need to sort this mess out. Its all much of a non-issue when the economy is booming, loads money wot etc...

but when the tulip hits the fan, is when we see what is truly WORTHY of our hard earned (ahem) taxes.

There is a slow progress to weeding out overgenerous pensions across the grunts of the public sector, but the higher echelons have so far managed to hold onto index linked golt edged pensions. And this makes up a proprtionally massive chunk of the deficit.

Record numbers of Public Sector jobs paying £50K+, lots of them on very generous pension terms. Its no surprise the unfunded pension liabilities are creeping towards £1 BILLION.

Hell I have no issues with teachers/nurses/firefighters/heart surgeons! earning MORE in salary and LESS in pension, because over generous pensions are effectively deffered taxation. (deliberately didnt mention the Police, just go google ACPO to get a hit as to my reasons!)

in conclusions

Neo: "We need cuts, lottsa cuts..."

[crimdon]

Hell I have no issues with teachers/nurses/firefighters/heart surgeons! earning MORE in salary and LESS in pension, because over generous pensions are effectively deffered taxation. (deliberately didnt mention the Police, just go google ACPO to get a hit as to my reasons!)

ACPO has 280 members. You can't damn several thousand police officers because of the actions of a few of its leaders.

But why are we concentrating on all the high profile jobs? Surely a normal office worker who puts up with 30-40 years of tulip from members of the puiblic on low pay deserves a pension too.