Public Sector Pensions

[Cyberman]

Indeed. People who climb into burning buildings don’t often live to be 100 because their lungs are f**ked and their backs are knackered from climbing down ladders with fat people on their shoulders. These are people who physically cannot work much longer once they’re in their 40s; they’ve given up their youth and health and risked their lives to save other people, and in any civilised society they’ll be looked after regardless of their ‘financial contribution’.

You can argue that miners should get massive pensions then also. The bottom line is that everybody makes a contribution in some way except for spongers, and we can argue deserving cases for many, but somebody has to subsidise them at the end of the day.
The public sector is now heavily subsidised by the private sector, and this is wrong because the average wage is lower, the pensions are now rubbish for most people, and also the jobs are less secure. That is simply not fair and if we are not careful nobody will want to work in the wealth-creating private sector but head instead for a nannied existence in the wealth-killing public sector.

[expat]

A deal is a deal. We recruited public servants on a given deal. The pension has always been a big part of the deal in public service jobs. If you want to change that from now on, do so, but don't weasel out of a deal already made.

Please God let me never have any of the disgusting slimy grasping lying bastards who want to do that at my back when I want to depend on anyone.

[sasguru]

A deal is a deal. .

Said Sir Fred the Shred Goodwin, recently.

[Cyberman]

A deal is a deal. We recruited public servants on a given deal. The pension has always been a big part of the deal in public service jobs. If you want to change that from now on, do so, but don't weasel out of a deal already made.

Please God let me never have any of the disgusting slimy grasping lying bastards who want to do that at my back when I want to depend on anyone.

If a deal is unsustainable it will not be kept. The taxpayer did not make these deals, just the same as I did not agree that I should have to pay 30K a year so a polygamous husband can have 4 wives and 15 children subsidised by the state.

Many of these 'deals' have been agreed under duress by union power over the years and the taxpayer has been held to ransom.

Something has to give.

[Mich the Tester]

What next, you going to be saying "hard working families" and "fairness" in every post.

Yes, about 10% of Public Sector workers , ie those doing useful front-line jobs deserve a competitive salary and pension. The other 90% mind....

Can you give a breakdown of the trades and professions of public sector workers in numeric and percentage terms?

[crimdon]

Please God let me never have any of the disgusting slimy grasping lying bastards who want to do that at my back when I want to depend on anyone.

I take it you'd not want to be in a fire trench with Cyberman

[Bagpuss]

I take it you'd not want to be in a fire trench with Cyberman

Can you imagine, "I surrender, I've been telling them the Nazis are a good bunch all along, I knew HMG were telling me lies, I'd shoot them if I were you. the useless state paid sponging barstewards"

[SallyAnne]

A deal is a deal. We recruited public servants on a given deal. The pension has always been a big part of the deal in public service jobs. If you want to change that from now on, do so, but don't weasel out of a deal already made.

I completely agree.

Pension details are part of your Terms and Conditions when you get a job in the Public Sector (or at least they used to be when I used to work there). All civil servant of say 10 years ago effectively signed contracts to say "yes we'll take sh*t pay, and give our career aspirations up for this moral destroying sh*te job...in return for nice flexi time and an excellent Pension package."

This is a contract - it morally, and I would have thought legally(??), shouldn't be taken away from them.

[DimPrawn]

Terminate their contracts and make them work as Contractors through a limited company.

That sorts the pension problem out and then you can get the tax by applying IR35.

Sorted.

[Mich the Tester]

Terminate their contracts and make them work as Contractors through a limited company.

That sorts the pension problem out and then you can get the tax by applying IR35.

Sorted.

Yes Gordon.