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Was the Bush presidency spectacularly successful?

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    #11
    Originally posted by DimPrawn View Post
    A sort of Jihadi honeypot.

    Nice idea. Stir up tulip in some tulipty country and draw away all the trouble makers.
    Maybe Mr Putin could be persuaded to employ some of our chavs in his border disputes?
    And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014

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      #12
      The Afgan invasion probably did a lot of good, but I think Iraq was a complete f***-up. Al-Quaeda were suppressed there by Saddam Hussein!

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        #13
        Originally posted by Doggy Styles View Post
        The Afgan invasion probably did a lot of good, but I think Iraq was a complete f***-up. Al-Quaeda were suppressed there by Saddam Hussein!
        I could quite believe that. A better strategy would have been to engineer a war between Iraq and Iran. War 101 - divide and conquer.

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          #14
          Originally posted by Doggy Styles View Post
          The Afgan invasion probably did a lot of good, but I think Iraq was a complete f***-up. Al-Quaeda were suppressed there by Saddam Hussein!
          Everyone knows the Iraq invasion pretence (WMD) was actually settling a personal score between Saddam and Bush Senior.

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            #15
            What his re-election did was show to the world:

            a) how stupid, ill-informed and uneducated your average American is

            or...

            b) How corrupt the US political system is, and how amusing it is that they invade countries to export democracy when they don't live in one themselves.

            I'm not completely sure which yet.
            Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? - Epicurus

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              #16
              Originally posted by sasguru View Post
              Was the Bush presidency spectacularly successful?
              The awesomeness of its spectacularity will resound through the anus of history

              You've come right out the other side of the forest of irony and ended up in the desert of wrong.

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                #17
                From the Iranian perspective - Bush was the best ot all US Presidents.

                For some time Iran had subverted US Intelligence to launch the Iraq war , sacrificing US lifes and International prestige in the destruction of Irans sworn enemy - Saddam - by use of an Iranian double agent - Shalabi who persuaded the US that Saddam still retainted WMDs

                Iran have gained so much at every level by the Iraq War without sacrificing a single Iranian life.

                In a way the lifes of US and UK servicemen who died ultimately benefited the Iranian state.

                Youve got to hand it to them - they had the US intelligence forces dancing to their tune.

                Political brilliance by the Persians.
                Last edited by AlfredJPruffock; 14 January 2009, 13:35.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by AlfredJPruffock View Post
                  ........ by use of an Iranian double agent - Shalabi who persuaded the US that Saddam still retainted WMDs ....
                  Really? I never thought the US believed all that WMD bull, it was pretty obvious it was lies. I'm sure there's plenty of thickos in the US gov but there are some clever people. I think it was a combination of neo-cons and big oil, looking to a) seize the (post 9/11) moment for a grand project to democratize the ME & b) seize the oil.

                  I think Bush should be remembered as King George the Cretinous, and be knighted by CUK's very own Sasguru.
                  Bored.

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by sasguru View Post
                    I'm not joking. By starting two wars which "absorbed" hotheaded jihadists from around the world and killed them and by harrassing and driving Al Quaeda underground to the extent that they were ineffective apart from releasing the odd video clip, perhaps he made the world a much safer place.
                    He made a great job of the economy.

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by ace00 View Post
                      Really? I never thought the US believed all that WMD bull, it was pretty obvious it was lies. I'm sure there's plenty of thickos in the US gov but there are some clever people. I think it was a combination of neo-cons and big oil, looking to a) seize the (post 9/11) moment for a grand project to democratize the ME & b) seize the oil.

                      I think Bush should be remembered as King George the Cretinous, and be knighted by CUK's very own Sasguru.
                      They did - at least the US Ingelligence forces did - its called shaping the facts to fit the theory - which is the first thing Intelligence officers are trained not to do.

                      The theory being pushed by Bush was that Iraq had to be punished for 9-11 rather than the true culprits - Saudi Arabia - Shalabi told the Intelligence forces what they wanted to hear ie Saddam was seeking WMDs - this could be sold to the US and later the UK public as the main reason for the Iraq invasion.

                      Bang ! Bye Bye Saddam - Hello Greater Iran.
                      Last edited by AlfredJPruffock; 14 January 2009, 13:51.

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