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    #41
    "printing money is not the same as printing money"

    http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle5488264.ece

    From The Sunday TimesJanuary 11, 2009

    Tories out of step as Bank wheels out the big guns
    David Smith: Economic Outlook
    Every day, sometimes on several occasions, an e-mail arrives in my inbox on behalf of George Osborne, the Conservative shadow chancellor.

    Issued in response to a minor economic indicator or flaky forecast, these missives, apart from rather demeaning the office of shadow chancellor, are usually harmless enough and can be safely ignored.

    Last week, however, came one that summed up the Tory problem: opposition by soundbite. For weeks, a debate has raged about whether central banks should engage in “quantitative easing”, the technique employed by the Japanese authorities in 2001-6 to lift their economy out of stagnation and deflation.

    The US Federal Reserve, cutting its Fed Funds rate to a 0%-0.25% range last month, signalled that it would formalise quantitative easing. Once you are at zero, you need other measures. Quantitative easing is often described as “printing money”, though it is not. More on this in a moment.

    When, in an interview, Alistair Darling, the chancellor, confirmed that the Treasury and Bank of England were considering quantitative easing, as widely reported in recent weeks, Osborne was on the case.

    “The very fact that the Treasury is speculating about printing money shows that Gordon Brown has led Britain to the brink of bankruptcy,” he railed. “Printing money is the last resort of desperate governments when all other policies have failed. It can’t be ruled out as a last resort in the fight against deflation, but in the end printing money risks losing control of inflation and all the economic problems that high inflation brings.”

    This was a silly soundbite. Apart from Fed chief Ben Bernanke, the case for quantitative easing is being pushed by most economists who think the money supply matters, which should be the Tory position.

    It is favoured, for example, by the shadow monetary policy committee, which meets under the auspices of the Institute of Economic Affairs, the favourite think tank of Margaret Thatcher and her former economic adviser, the late Sir Alan Walters.

    Osborne and his leader, David Cameron, have had a bad crisis. Baited by Brown as the “do nothing” party, they have been provoked into small, largely irrelevant initiatives. Even Brown’s enemies do not hold him entirely responsible for the worst advanced-country downturn since 1945. Cameron and Osborne, overplaying the blame card, invite ridicule and allow Brown to get away with things he should carry the can for, such as over-spending in the good times.

    A Tory shadow chancellor should be well regarded by the City. Instead, Alistair Darling is winning grudging approval. Oppositions need to make the intellectual case. The Tories, guided by Sir Geoffrey Howe, did so brilliantly during the 1974-79 crisis-hit Labour government. So far this Conservative opposition hasn’t.

    I write this with regret. We need a credible, constructive opposition to give people confidence that, come a change of government, the economy will be in safe hands.

    Ken Clarke, ranked by readers as best chancellor over 30 years, has been a wasted asset for the Tories since May 1997. John Redwood, a former cabinet minister, appears to understand the crisis and was impressive on the radio the other day.

    Economic opposition is a crowded scene. For the first time that I can remember, a Liberal Democrat shadow chancellor has made the running. I do not agree with everything Vince Cable says but he enjoys a high reputation and his manner is of a reassuring doctor — he tells you it is bad but offers prescriptions to make it better. The Tory boys do not have his bedside manner and sometimes appear to relish the gloom, which I am sure is not their intention.

    Back to “printing money”. The Bank limited itself to a half-point cut to 1.5% last week, though taking us, as every schoolboy knows, to the lowest rate since 1694. That seemed sensible, despite figures on Friday showing an alarming plunge in manufacturing output. It leaves shots in the locker and time to think about other measures.

    “Printing money”, to be clear, is not the same as printing money. This is not a cash economy. The value of notes and coins in circulation is £51.6 billion, less than 3% of £1.9 trillion of “broad” money in Britain, M4, consisting of bank deposits and the corresponding lending. Printing money means getting broad money growing faster through so-called quantitative easing.

    How? One way is for the Bank to buy government bonds or commercial securities from banks or their customers. This creates a credit in the central bank’s reserve account, which can then be the basis for increased bank lending. It also drives down interest rates throughout the economy.

    Or, in a situation where the government is borrowing large amounts, as now, it can “underfund” its budget deficit by issuing fewer gilts than needed, or by selling them direct to the Bank. The effect is to boost broad money, M4. Or, if none of this works, the central bank can lend directly into the economy, using the banks as its agents.

    None of this is easy, or inevitable. The Tories have proposed a £50 billion loan guarantee scheme for small firms, which Cameron wants to “shake the prime minister” to introduce. But Treasury officials fear that losses under such a scheme could amount to £12 billion, making guarantee costs prohibitive.

    Guaranteeing issuance of new mortgage-backed and other asset-backed securities, recommended by former HBOS chief Sir James Crosby, would work a lot better if other countries did it too; the closure of these markets is a worldwide phenomenon. So far, however, there has been little discussion about co-ordinated action.

    The truth is that there are many helpful things that can be done but no single silver bullet. In the meantime, we should not forget one thing. The Bank has wheeled out some pretty big guns in cutting rates from 5% to 1.5% since October. Barack Obama sketched out his huge fiscal plan last week.

    As the Bank put it when cutting rates on Thursday: “The committee noted that the recent easing in monetary and fiscal policy, the substantial fall in sterling and the prospective decline in inflation would together provide a considerable stimulus to activity as the year progressed.”

    Policymakers need to be imaginative. But they also need to have faith in the fact that, in the end, policy will work.
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      #42
      Originally posted by d000hg View Post
      I don't know if common sense is correct, isn't the system more complicated than that when you take into account all the various nations and the interplay of interest rates, currencies, etc? With so many different ways that money exists (e.g shares, gilts, commodities, etc) aren't some aspects of world economy going to be counterintuitive in the same kind of way that some parts of physics are - another subject which is intuitive at a large scale but totally weird when you examine it in detail?

      I don't for a second claim computers can model everything due to the human factor, in the same way we can't possibly model the weather systems in any detail... but compared to what we had 50 years ago can't we at least make some useful predictions about what changing interest rates or printing money will do? Or are you saying they simply have rules of thumb "I dunno, reducing interest rates does X, 1.5% sounds about right to me"?


      Economics is much about commonsense. The first things are easy, such as employing good housekeeping which basically means keeping revenue and expenditure roughly in line.... ie: If you don't have the money, don't spend it/waste it, and don't borrow more than is necessary and especially if it is going to be difficult to repay. Labour have let spending fall so far out of line that we are building up to a deficit of 150 Billion pounds a year and thus massive problems for future generations as this money will eventually have to be found through taxes.
      If good housekeeping is employed the rest falls into place, in that interest rates and currency remain stable because risks are not being taken with the economy. Good housekeeping also involves an element of regulation whereby banks are not allowed to let lending rip, again in order to keep the economy stable. Unfortunately under Labour governments they always seem to ignore commonsense and end up in a situation such as we have today.

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        #43
        There needs to be legislation preventing governments going beyond certain thresholds of % borrowing and %deficits in budgets.

        Only over-rideable by a mandate from Her Majesty.

        And GOvernment should NOT be EVER allowed to take debt off balance sheet such as what they have done with PFI.

        and for god sake, good accounting practices please. Independant ONS, accountbale NOT to the government but to Her Majesty also.

        I am sick and tired of all the lies and cloak and dagger tactics employed by government. We deserve to know the true state of affairs with the public finances.

        And ANY government spending project needs to have a success criteria to justify it's implementation.

        What true value will any expenditure add, and if it does not, then its deemed a failure and a black mark on its brain child.

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          #44
          It doesn't matter how much you legislate, we will still have boom and bust. It will just manifest itself in some other way.

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            #45
            Originally posted by Solidec View Post
            There needs to be legislation preventing governments going beyond certain thresholds of % borrowing and %deficits in budgets.

            Only over-rideable by a mandate from Her Majesty.

            And GOvernment should NOT be EVER allowed to take debt off balance sheet such as what they have done with PFI.

            and for god sake, good accounting practices please. Independant ONS, accountbale NOT to the government but to Her Majesty also.

            I am sick and tired of all the lies and cloak and dagger tactics employed by government. We deserve to know the true state of affairs with the public finances.

            And ANY government spending project needs to have a success criteria to justify it's implementation.

            What true value will any expenditure add, and if it does not, then its deemed a failure and a black mark on its brain child.
            In short, balance the books, with auditors answerable to the Queen.

            Worth considering, but suppose there's enough cack in the accounts for her to refuse to sign them off? Some will point out that we elected the government, we didn't elect the Queen.

            Also, the government is busy taking over previously independent estates (such as the House of Lords, the Judiciary) so I can't see them relinquishing any powers to implement this.

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              #46
              Originally posted by TimberWolf View Post
              It doesn't matter how much you legislate, we will still have boom and bust. It will just manifest itself in some other way.
              Yes but as long as Government isn't largely responsible, I would not feel as angry.

              I am not naieve enough to believe boom/bust cycles can be eliminated, but for goodness sake, they shouldnt be exacerbated by goverment of all people!

              I care less about "The economic cycle" (browns pet phrase through his chancellorship) and more about my taxationaccess to public services and my future childrens taxation/public services.

              End of the day government serve a very basic purpose to most people.

              Provide essential public services costed by tax, which are fair and reflect what we PAY as tax.

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                #47
                Originally posted by Solidec View Post
                Yes but as long as Government isn't largely responsible, I would not feel as angry.

                I am not naieve enough to believe boom/bust cycles can be eliminated, but for goodness sake, they shouldnt be exacerbated by goverment of all people!

                I care less about "The economic cycle" (browns pet phrase through his chancellorship) and more about my taxationaccess to public services and my future childrens taxation/public services.

                End of the day government serve a very basic purpose to most people.

                Provide essential public services costed by tax, which are fair and reflect what we PAY as tax.
                You would rather blame the queen

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