I agree with Nationwide - they are standing up for what their members want, and can afford to take this stance because they did not overextend in the crime spree perpetuated by the majority of Plc banks.
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Nationwide defies Alistair Darling on mortgage interest rate cuts
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Originally posted by AtW View PostThis was no link to BoE rates unless BoE was taking in deposits itself and was paying that rate. The link between actual morgage rates was between cost of capital - savers or LIBOR.
There is a link - this is through the market.
Banks raising the money for lending from savers set the rate they pay themselves, in competition with each other. To remain competitive, the rates set will track the BofE rate. A bank could offer savers double the BofE rate, but then they would have to charge their borrowers considerably more than other banks, in which case they would not get any borrowers and this arrangement would be unsustainable.
Banks raising the money for lending through the money markets pay LIBOR. LIBOR will track the BofE rate in a competitive market - but there could be circumstances, such as we have currently, where the participants don't want to play this game and take their ball away, or demand significantly higer returns for providing that ball.
The Bank of England does not need to take deposits - it can of course create money out of thin air. It can also lend to banks, but the price has always been set "above market", because that is not really what it is for.Comment
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Originally posted by Gonzo View PostThere is a link - this is through the market.
Originally posted by Gonzo View PostBanks raising the money for lending through the money markets pay LIBOR. LIBOR will track the BofE rate in a competitive market
Originally posted by Gonzo View PostThe Bank of England does not need to take deposits - it can of course create money out of thin air. It can also lend to banks, but the price has always been set "above market", because that is not really what it is for.Comment
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Originally posted by AtW View PostExactly what I am saying - that's why there was no direct link between those rates and commercial bank rates.
When you say "direct link", I suspect you are expecting to see a "command and control" type mechanism and can't see one (because there isn't one).
When I say "direct link" I mean that I can see the BofE actions moving the market. Which they used to do, but the issue now is that the banks have started playing in a different market, which the BofE actions have less influence over.Comment
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Originally posted by Gonzo View PostWhen I say "direct link" I mean that I can see the BofE actions moving the market.
Originally posted by Gonzo View PostWhen you say "direct link", I suspect you are expecting to see a "command and control" type mechanism and can't see one (because there isn't one).
There is no direct link with BoE rates - maybe in the past some years ago it was lending directly (and in some countries central banks do just that), but not right now - all the past was just bad assumption that should have never been made: it amazes me how banks pay lots of money for risk analysis and nobody was spending any time building proper stress testing models and plans for proper responses, shocking mismanagement that is.Comment
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Originally posted by TazMaN View PostI agree with Nationwide - they are standing up for what their members want, and can afford to take this stance because they did not overextend in the crime spree perpetuated by the majority of Plc banks.
Remember you read it here first.Comment
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Originally posted by TazMaN View PostI agree with Nationwide - they are standing up for what their members want, and can afford to take this stance because they did not overextend in the crime spree perpetuated by the majority of Plc banks.Comment
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Originally posted by Doggy Styles View PostWhat happens when the government orders its semi-nationalised banks to reduce lending rates? Those banks will have to reduce savers rates too, and they'll lose most of their savings business, i.e. their funds, to the likes of Nationwide. They'll be f***ed.
HMG will just lend them more money !!Comment
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Originally posted by Doggy Styles View PostWhat happens when the government orders its semi-nationalised banks to reduce lending rates?Comment
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Originally posted by AtW View PostGovt charges ridiculous rates for the money given to those banks - no way in hell they drop it and Brown won't drop his sneaky interest rate (read tax).Comment
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