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I'm sure you're right. Brown has demonstrated time and again what a shrewd operator he is.Originally posted by Joe1978 View Postf**k the Tories they will screw us all over, i may be one of the few but i think GB is doing as good a job as he can considering. I dont think there is anyone better suited to get the UK out of the mire created by corporate greed, people living beyond their means and "the banks and yanks"
Now flame on like the human torch
Do you know, there are millions of people in this country who still do not realise what a mess Brown has made of the UK economy. And it is Brown, not "worldwide events".
He deserves the Edward II treatment.Comment
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they didnt force numpties into getting into stupid ammount debt did they?
I vote labour but until recently was condiering not voting for them for the fiorst time since i began voting but i have been impressed by GB in recent months so i will be voting for them again, and i dont consider myself thick, although i am sure alot of you will disagreeLast edited by Joe1978; 19 December 2008, 14:16."I'm more of a warrior than you'll ever be. I believe in the class war. I believe in the battle of the sexes. I believe in my tribe. I believe in the righteous, inteligent clued-up section of society against the brain-dead moronic masses as well as the mediocre, soulless bourgeoisie. I believe in punk rock. In northern soul. In acid house. In mod. In rock and roll. I also believe in pre commercial righteous, rap and hip hop. Thats my manifesto"Comment
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I rest my case.Originally posted by Joe1978 View Postthey didnt force numpties into getting into stupid ammount debt did they?
I vote labour but until recently was condiering not voting for them for the fiorst time since i began voting but i have been impressed by aGB in recent months so i will be voting for them again, and i dont consider myself thick, although i am sure alot of you will disagreeComment
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I'm afraid they won't have much choice. They will need to balance the books to make the UK a credible investment destination. The pound has fallen and UK bonds/gilts will shortly become junk, which means the UK government will no longer be seen internationally as a reliable borrower, and UK businesses will have their credit ratings reduced to zilch by all the world's major banks.Originally posted by Joe1978 View Postf**k the Tories they will screw us all over
The Tories, the Liberals or anyone else will be faced with the following options;
1 Reduce public spending by a very large amount, thereby making at the very least another 1 to 2 million people unemployed.
2 Raise taxes to the highest levels in Europe thereby stoppng any economic recovery for several years to come
3 Reduce public spending by an enormous amount, sufficient to balance the books while cutting taxes; result will be several years of mass unemployment with at least the prospect of a long term recovery.
FACE FACTS: BRITAIN IS BROKE. And yes, Gordon's to blame, along with his old chum Tony B Liar. He FAILED in his duty to oversee the activities of the (and I agree with you here) greedy scum bankers, he spent more money than the country could produce, and he wasted huge amounts on useless crap like NHS IT systems, ID databases and War in Iraq. If you want more of the same, go ahead and vote Labour.Last edited by Mich the Tester; 19 December 2008, 14:19.And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014Comment
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cant say i'm over bothered i expected to get flamed for my opinion..
and yes i agree with you to some extent about the cost of the war, NHS IT etc, etc....BUT every other western country is pretty screwed as well arent they? and surely the majority of all those economies somehow based on the US financial and economic systems, surely thats not GB or labour or even the UK's "fault"?
i just want to say i am not trying to stir up an argument here, just to voice my opinions and here some of yours tooLast edited by Joe1978; 19 December 2008, 14:36."I'm more of a warrior than you'll ever be. I believe in the class war. I believe in the battle of the sexes. I believe in my tribe. I believe in the righteous, inteligent clued-up section of society against the brain-dead moronic masses as well as the mediocre, soulless bourgeoisie. I believe in punk rock. In northern soul. In acid house. In mod. In rock and roll. I also believe in pre commercial righteous, rap and hip hop. Thats my manifesto"Comment
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Originally posted by Mich the Tester View PostHow is it possible? Labour bankrupt the country not once, but TWICE in 30 years and people still vote for them. How fooking thick are these people?
Why do you think the education system is so bad !! New Lie do not want independent and intelligent thinking, because they would soon be out of power. Keep the majority educated to the lowest common denominator, employ 20% of people in the public sector, and bingo !! Sadly this is the end for UK PLC as a growth economy.
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Some western countries are in deep trouble; especially those who have borrowed too much. However, those countries which have used the growth years to balance the books, or in the case of NL, run a budget surplus, are now in a better position to loosen their fiscal policy and help their businesses. That's where Gordon's failed. He continued profligate spending while the economy was growing, so that when things turned down he has no room for manoeuvre. The whole point of a government is that they think a bit further ahead than the next 12 months and plan for the future; a very big part of that planning is to ensure a stable financial footing and some reserves for a rainy day.Originally posted by Joe1978 View Postcant say i'm over bothered i expected to get flamed for my opinion..
and yes i agree with you to some extent about the cost of the war, NHS IT etc, etc....BUT every other western country is pretty screwed as well arent they? and surely the majority of all those economies somehow based on the US financial and economic systems, surely thats not GB or labour or even the UK's "fault"?Last edited by Mich the Tester; 19 December 2008, 15:17.And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014Comment
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Nonsense.Originally posted by Cyberman View PostWhy do you think the education system is so bad !! New Lie do not want independent and intelligent thinking, because they would soon be out of power. Keep the majority educated to the lowest common denominator, employ 20% of people in the public sector, and bingo !! Sadly this is the end for UK PLC as a growth economy.
I went to Skool during Thatcher's era, the buildings were dilapidated, it was overcrowded and a vast majority never went on to university.
Education spending has risen by 60% under Labour, I’m not saying it’s all been successful but to say they want to dumb down the masses is ridiculous.Science isn't about why, it's about why not. You ask: why is so much of our science dangerous? I say: why not marry safe science if you love it so much. In fact, why not invent a special safety door that won't hit you in the butt on the way out, because you are fired. - Cave JohnsonComment
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The vast majority aren't supposed to go to university. University's for clever people, innit.Originally posted by gingerjedi View Posta vast majority never went on to university.
I agree to some extent though, that the tories didn't do a much better job of education.Last edited by Mich the Tester; 19 December 2008, 15:38.And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014Comment
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