Britain will come out of this recession before Euroland...

[AtW]

You are saying that Dodgy should not use rational arguments to support his view.

What I am saying is that because his view is formed (in my opinion of course) without actual analysis of arguements it means that addressing specific arguements he puts forward it pointless because it essentially becomes matter of faith and believes (for whatever reasons).

It's like proving to a nazi that particular nose forms have no bearing on intellectual capacity of humans, do you think overturning that bogus arguement would make a nazi lose their racists views? Not at all - dodgy clearly demonstrated that I was right when he said he businesses would benefit from single currency (even if its pound - I'd agree with that too if it was feasible), yet he is still against it.

[AtW]

Errm , no there was a fair bit of Nazi 'scientific' knowledge put forward to justify it.

I've seen plenty of soviet scientific knowledge put forward to justify that communism is the best form of Govt - equally bogus "science" used by people who just looked to justify their set of believes.

[Doggy Styles]

What I am saying is that because his view is formed (in my opinion of course) without actual analysis of arguements it means that addressing specific arguements he puts forward it pointless because it essentially becomes matter of faith and believes (for whatever reasons).

You make it clear. Dodgy is disqualified from using any rational arguments that he learned AFTER forming his view.

Thus if you put forward a convincing argument for the UK joining the euro, he is disqualified from taking it on board and changing his mind.

Don't you see where your logic leads you?

[sasguru]

You make it clear. Dodgy is disqualified from using any rational arguments that he learned AFTER forming his view.

Thus if you put forward a convincing argument for the UK joining the euro, he is disqualified from taking it on board and changing his mind.

Don't you see where your logic leads you?

Remember you are trying to argue with someone who's not terribly bright.

And not only that but a first rate bore.

[Doggy Styles]

Remember you are trying to argue with someone who's not terribly bright.

I'm getting to like him. I like my daughter's pet Giant African Snails too. They are surprisingly cute.

[sasguru]

I'm getting to like him. I like my daughter's pet Giant African Snails too. They are surprisingly cute.

Yeah but just imagine those snails spouted non-stop illogical bollux? And what if they were complete fantasists?

[AtW]

You make it clear. Dodgy is disqualified from using any rational arguments that he learned AFTER forming his view.

No, wrong again, I see a pattern here: either deliberate wind up or stupidity, or both.

If a view is formed on the basis of arguements (as opposed to faith or prejudice like he has) then it's fine to put them forward because opposing arguements will have a chance to change original formed view.

In Dodgy's case his made up view was not based on rational arguements, so it's pointless to argue with him offering counter-arguements or defeating his own because in the end it is all down to his faith/prejudice that can't be addressed with rational approach.

Therefore, the solution in case of euro to ignore people like Dodgy and focus on those who are capable to make rational decisions for his (as he is clearly unable in this case). You don't need to convince everyone - over 50% yes votes will be enough, there is as much point to try to convince Dodgy's of this world as for Conservatives to try to get MPs in Scotland.

[EternalOptimist]

Errm , no there was a fair bit of Nazi 'scientific' knowledge put forward to justify it.

Winston Churchill too was interested in this nasty bit of work.

Ever heard of Eugenics or Social Darwinism ?


Nazi eugenics were Nazi Germany's racially-based social policies that placed the improvement of the race through eugenics at the center of their concerns and targeted those humans they identified as "life unworthy of life" (German Lebensunwertes Leben), including but not limited to the criminal, degenerate, dissident, feeble-minded, homosexual, idle, insane, religious, and weak, for elimination from the chain of heredity. More than 400,000 people were sterilized against their will, while 70,000 were killed in the Action T4.[1]

I'll never forgive the Nazis for how they treated my grandad in a concentration camp during the war.

Five years he was there on that machine gun tower, and never got a single promotion

[DodgyAgent]

No, wrong again, I see a pattern here: either deliberate wind up or stupidity, or both.

If a view is formed on the basis of arguements (as opposed to faith or prejudice like he has) then it's fine to put them forward because opposing arguements will have a chance to change original formed view.

In Dodgy's case his made up view was not based on rational arguements, so it's pointless to argue with him offering counter-arguements or defeating his own because in the end it is all down to his faith/prejudice that can't be addressed with rational approach.

Therefore, the solution in case of euro to ignore people like Dodgy and focus on those who are capable to make rational decisions for his (as he is clearly unable in this case). You don't need to convince everyone - over 50% yes votes will be enough, there is as much point to try to convince Dodgy's of this world as for Conservatives to try to get MPs in Scotland.

So what are my real reasons for not agreeing with the UK entering the Euro?

[AtW]

So what are my real reasons for not agreeing with the UK entering the Euro?

Don't know. But by your admission those reasons are not business based (which in other words economics based as far as your business is concerned).

I am just reading some legal stuff now (for potential big client), so it's a big hard for me to mind read from here, maybe you are a racist bigot, maybe you are an idiot, maybe it's something else. A few hundred more insults (from me to you) dodgy and I think we will get even.