People 'can't wait for ID cards'

[Liability]

The reason this will go ahead is due to the first phase of a multi phase roll out of public tagging. ID cards will be a medium for RFDI and eventually it will be illegal not to have one. This is the only way we can realistically keep tags on people.

Is it a good thing? Who knows! Will it be accepted? Yes - Just wait for the next terrorist attack or something - people will be asking for it!

[expat]

The reason this will go ahead is due to the first phase of a multi phase roll out of public tagging. ID cards will be a medium for RFDI and eventually it will be illegal not to have one. This is the only way we can realistically keep tags on people.

Is it a good thing? Who knows! Will it be accepted? Yes - Just wait for the next terrorist attack or something - people will be asking for it!

I'm sure you're right. Back in the days when there were relatively few CCTV cameras in public places, and there was still some reservation about their widespread use, Jamie Bulger's killers were caught with CCTV images. I remember thinking (as well as Good that they're caught) that's it, in comes CCTV everywhere. I rest my case.

All that is wrong with Jacqui Smith's statement is that she wasn't supposed to say it yet.

[Purple Dalek]

I'm sure you're right. Back in the days when there were relatively few CCTV cameras in public places, and there was still some reservation about their widespread use, Jamie Bulger's killers were caught with CCTV images. I remember thinking (as well as Good that they're caught) that's it, in comes CCTV everywhere. I rest my case.

All that is wrong with Jacqui Smith's statement is that she wasn't supposed to say it yet.

Jamie Bulger's killers were caught without CCTV, many of the officers on the case considered the images a major distraction, and some a hinderance in getting people to give quality information. That CCTV was lauded up after the fact is interesting.

[DodgyAgent]

I'm sure you're right. Back in the days when there were relatively few CCTV cameras in public places, and there was still some reservation about their widespread use, Jamie Bulger's killers were caught with CCTV images. I remember thinking (as well as Good that they're caught) that's it, in comes CCTV everywhere. I rest my case.

All that is wrong with Jacqui Smith's statement is that she wasn't supposed to say it yet.

One of my staff was badly beaten up in the middle of a town centre. The police have failed to find anyone from the CCTV pictures saying that they were obscured by trees, even though there were plenty of people who would have recognised attackers. CCTV technology is only good for capturing number plates on speeding cars owned by law abiding middle classs people.

[expat]

Jamie Bulger's killers were caught without CCTV, many of the officers on the case considered the images a major distraction, and some a hinderance in getting people to give quality information. That CCTV was lauded up after the fact is interesting.

Interesting.

[Peoplesoft bloke]

........ CCTV technology is only good for capturing number plates on speeding cars owned by law abiding middle classs people.

Speeding's against the law.

[Purple Dalek]

Speeding's against the law.

I think he meant to say 'otherwise law abiding people'.

The NuLiebor project has brought in so many laws you're all criminals and potential terrorists. Especially you lot who are self-employed, run their own small businesses, etc.

[Peoplesoft bloke]

The reason this will go ahead is due to the first phase of a multi phase roll out of public tagging. ID cards will be a medium for RFDI and eventually it will be illegal not to have one. This is the only way we can realistically keep tags on people.

Except it won't work for "keeping tags" on anyone but the innocent stupid majority.

Is it a good thing? Who knows!

Anyone who has given it more than a cursory thought will realise it's a bad thing.

Will it be accepted? Yes - Just wait for the next terrorist attack or something - people will be asking for it!

True, but stupid people ask for all kinds of stupid things.

[Ruprect]

I think you're on to a hit song there Clippy !

Ian brown already did one:

I aint no number
I don't need no ID round my neck
So Mr Politician
I got born and named like blood runs red
Cause I I aint no number
Don't require no ID round my neck
So Mr number maker
ID cards won't stop no hijack jet

Think think of a number
Think of a number one to ten
If five five is your number
Times that five by two to make a ten
Cause I I aint no number
I don't need no ID round my neck
So Mr number maker
ID cards won't stop no hijack jet

So my little girl keep dancing
Kiss Ya lips and love yourself so right
Click Mr number maker
Wants your fingerprints your ass and eye
To stipulate your identification
Got born and raised like blood runs red
Wants to slip a microchip in my lip
Cause loose lips sink ships
Keep it shake ya hips
Keep it kiss ya lips I aint no number
I don't need no ID run my neck
So my little girl keep dancing
ID cards won't stop no hijack jet
So my little girl keep dancing
ID cards won't stop no hijack jet
So my little girl keep dancing
Keep dancing
ID cards won't stop no hijack jet

[BoredBloke]

So still not a single point to support the introduction of a hugely expensive system.