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    #31
    Originally posted by Bagpuss View Post
    Ok give us a lesson on the brilliance of the Northern Rock business model.....
    It was, in and of itself, a good model and worked fine until the OTHER institutions dropped the ball with sub prime. The fact that until Gordo & Mr. Weird Eyebrows put the mockers on it, Branson et al were bidding for NR does, I suggest, show that it was a decent business. HM Gov's "bail-out", of course, has tarnished NR's previous good standing in the minds of many. Shame, because it was a company that helped many and did nothing "wrong", as such.

    HTH

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      #32
      Originally posted by Bagpuss View Post
      Ok give us a lesson on the brilliance of the Northern Rock business model.....

      The business model was no diffefrent to any other bank except that the Rock did not invest in US Subprime.

      The business model was not the reason for failure which history has proved. Every other bank has had the same problems with the moneymarkets drying up, even HSBC, which has more deposits than loans.

      Rock shareholders thus have a very good case for compensation...... let's see what happens in court in January.

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        #33
        Originally posted by Bob Dalek View Post
        It was, in and of itself, a good model and worked fine until the OTHER institutions dropped the ball with sub prime. The fact that until Gordo & Mr. Weird Eyebrows put the mockers on it, Branson et al were bidding for NR does, I suggest, show that it was a decent business. HM Gov's "bail-out", of course, has tarnished NR's previous good standing in the minds of many. Shame, because it was a company that helped many and did nothing "wrong", as such.

        HTH




        You are joking right?
        It would have bust sooner or later, 125 % mortgages in a failing market
        The previous board under investigation

        Branson only wanted the savings book at a knocked down price.



        Originally posted by Cyberman View Post
        The business model was no diffefrent to any other bank except that the Rock did not invest in US Subprime.
        Maybe not, but over exposed to UK subprime, that little ticking timebomb.

        Originally posted by Cyberman View Post
        The business model was not the reason for failure which history has proved. Every other bank has had the same problems with the moneymarkets drying up, even HSBC, which has more deposits than loans.
        They were too reliant on the money markets as a ratio to deposits.
        Any fool can see 125% self certs to bad credit risks, borrowing heavily on the money markets to fund.. is not the wisest way to operate.
        Last edited by Bagpuss; 10 October 2008, 13:27.
        The court heard Darren Upton had written a letter to Judge Sally Cahill QC saying he wasn’t “a typical inmate of prison”.

        But the judge said: “That simply demonstrates your arrogance continues. You are typical. Inmates of prison are people who are dishonest. You are a thoroughly dishonestly man motivated by your own selfish greed.”

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          #34
          Originally posted by Bagpuss View Post


          You are joking right?
          It would have bust sooner or later, 125 % mortgages in a failing market
          The previous board under investigation

          Branson only wanted the savings book at a knocked down price.
          Why would it have bust?

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            #35
            Originally posted by Bob Dalek View Post
            Why would it have bust?
            Because it was heavily reliant on the money markets?
            The court heard Darren Upton had written a letter to Judge Sally Cahill QC saying he wasn’t “a typical inmate of prison”.

            But the judge said: “That simply demonstrates your arrogance continues. You are typical. Inmates of prison are people who are dishonest. You are a thoroughly dishonestly man motivated by your own selfish greed.”

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              #36
              Originally posted by Bagpuss View Post
              Because it was heavily reliant on the money markets?

              Just about all of the other UK banks would have gone bust within weeks because of the dead moneymarkets but for HMG intervention. You are seriously naive!!

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                #37
                Originally posted by Bagpuss View Post
                Because it was heavily reliant on the money markets?
                Which were all fine until some dorks decided to lend to hillbillies with no job and no skills, etc. And that's what's led to EVERY bank suffering, not just NR. Difference is that NR has a great big stock of property to point to and say, "There, THERE'S our backing. The other banks/lenders have nothing like.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Bob Dalek View Post
                  Which were all fine until some dorks decided to lend to hillbillies with no job and no skills, etc. And that's what's led to EVERY bank suffering, not just NR. Difference is that NR has a great big stock of property to point to and say, "There, THERE'S our backing. The other banks/lenders have nothing like.
                  NR were doing the same in the UK, lending to subprime BTL etc. Sooner or later they would have gone bust, run or no run.
                  The court heard Darren Upton had written a letter to Judge Sally Cahill QC saying he wasn’t “a typical inmate of prison”.

                  But the judge said: “That simply demonstrates your arrogance continues. You are typical. Inmates of prison are people who are dishonest. You are a thoroughly dishonestly man motivated by your own selfish greed.”

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Bagpuss View Post
                    NR were doing the same in the UK, lending to subprime BTL etc. Sooner or later they would have gone bust, run or no run.

                    .....but that was not there reasons for failure LAST YEAR. You are hopeless.

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