Reply to: There but for the grace of God...

[Cyberman]

I've thought of some more:

Robin Cook and secretary
Mrs Blair and flats re dodgy Ossie + girlfriend giving Tony massages and learning secrets
Cash for peerages
Illegal party donations via third parties
Mandelson and the 249,999 pound house to avoid stamp duty

[sasguru]

What about the Iraqi supergun affair?

[Bob Dalek]

Both sides are sleazy, but for the tories I give you:

Al Yamamah
Westland
Graham Riddick
David Tredinnick
Neil Hamilton
Jonathan Aitken
Jeffrey Archer
Michael Ashcroft (allegedly)

Shirley Porter. That was a big, big story that nobody seemed too bothered about, even though she hightailed it to Israel.

[PRC1964]

Both sides are sleazy, but for the tories I give you:

Al Yamamah
Westland
Graham Riddick
David Tredinnick
Neil Hamilton
Jonathan Aitken
Jeffrey Archer
Michael Ashcroft (allegedly)

[Cyberman]

You are probably correct but I raise you a

Matrix Churchill
Tim Yeo
Alan Clarke
Harvey Proctor
John Major and Curry

Pointless argument though, most politicians are sleazy

OK I raise you:

Mandelson...... Mortgage
Mandelson...... Hindujas
Vaz (been done on a couple of things)
Jowell (husband re dodgy mortgage and money laundering)
Numerous MPs sending kids to private school (Harman etc)
Welsh MP using rent boys
Blunkett (at least twice caught out for affairs and favours)
female MP paying nanny as an assistant
Yvette Young and Ed Balls claiming dodgy mortgage allowances
Home Secretary Jackie Smith .....Blair the copper being politicised to give pro ID and 42 day speeches
Jackie Smith re drugs at UNI
IRAQ ..... Blair, Dr David Kelly 'murder', etc etc
F1 racing cigarette advertising favours after donation


I will think of some more if I need to.....

[Bagpuss]

Come on then, Sasguru, I challenge you to list more sleaze for the Tories than I can list for New Lie. I bet that you cannot. I will start you off:

I can think of:

Cash for Questions
Tory Chairman Cecil Parkinson and secretary
An MP caught dead on kitchen table with an Orange jammed in his mouth, or some other orifice

You are probably correct but I raise you a

Matrix Churchill
Tim Yeo
Alan Clarke
Harvey Proctor
John Major and Curry

Pointless argument though, most politicians are sleazy

[Cyberman]

What's the point of this fooking argument?
It is the case that quite a few banks have operated unsound business models for a while and would have been exposed at some time anyway.
If you build a house on sand you expect it to be washed away at some point.
Labour have been lax in not regulating enough (this is because they were desperate not to spook the City) but when it comes to greed and de-regulation everyone knows the Tories are the champs.
Brain dead naive idiots like you believe the Tories will lead us to the land of milk and honey. I would wager you're a young cock who doesn't remember the sleaze that ended the last Tory administration.

Come on then, Sasguru, I challenge you to list more sleaze for the Tories than I can list for New Lie. I bet that you cannot. I will start you off:

I can think of:

Cash for Questions
Tory Chairman Cecil Parkinson and secretary
An MP caught dead on kitchen table with an Orange jammed in his mouth, or some other orifice

[Bob Dalek]

What's the point of this fooking argument?
It is the case that quite a few banks have operated unsound business models for a while and would have been exposed at some time anyway.
If you build a house on sand you expect it to be washed away at some point.
Labour have been lax in not regulating enough (this is because they were desperate not to spook the City) but when it comes to greed and de-regulation everyone knows the Tories are the champs.
Brain dead naive idiots like you believe the Tories will lead us to the land of milk and honey. I would wager you're a young cock who doesn't remember the sleaze that ended the last Tory administration.

What? A few MPs banging rent boys or staying in a hotel at the proprietor's expense? Come on! They were no worse/better than any administration in that respect, and, in hindsight, professionals of the first water compared to the current shower of worthless incompetents.

[Bob Dalek]

NR were doing the same in the UK, lending to subprime BTL etc. Sooner or later they would have gone bust, run or no run.

Now, now, naughty! US sub prime was, as we all know, lending to tramps, dead folk and family pets. NR did not do that.

[sasguru]

.....but that was not there reasons for failure LAST YEAR. You are hopeless.

What's the point of this fooking argument?
It is the case that quite a few banks have operated unsound business models for a while and would have been exposed at some time anyway.
If you build a house on sand you expect it to be washed away at some point.
Labour have been lax in not regulating enough (this is because they were desperate not to spook the City) but when it comes to greed and de-regulation everyone knows the Tories are the champs.
Brain dead naive idiots like you believe the Tories will lead us to the land of milk and honey. I would wager you're a young cock who doesn't remember the sleaze that ended the last Tory administration.

[shaunbhoy]

Icelandic companies (buoyed up by their banks) have been aggressively buying everything they could get their hands on (retail, football, you name it).

They bought into West Ham. Ought to have been a warning of just how cavalier some of these people were methinks!!

[Cyberman]

their

[Cyberman]

NR were doing the same in the UK, lending to subprime BTL etc. Sooner or later they would have gone bust, run or no run.

.....but that was not there reasons for failure LAST YEAR. You are hopeless.

[Bagpuss]

Which were all fine until some dorks decided to lend to hillbillies with no job and no skills, etc. And that's what's led to EVERY bank suffering, not just NR. Difference is that NR has a great big stock of property to point to and say, "There, THERE'S our backing. The other banks/lenders have nothing like.

NR were doing the same in the UK, lending to subprime BTL etc. Sooner or later they would have gone bust, run or no run.

[Bob Dalek]

Because it was heavily reliant on the money markets?

Which were all fine until some dorks decided to lend to hillbillies with no job and no skills, etc. And that's what's led to EVERY bank suffering, not just NR. Difference is that NR has a great big stock of property to point to and say, "There, THERE'S our backing. The other banks/lenders have nothing like.