Traditional Art Revival

[WageSlave]

Portrait Revival

Good to see some traditional skills and forms enjoying a revival.

[wc2]

Portrait Revival

Good to see some traditional skills and forms enjoying a revival.

So that's more taxes going down the loo - I think every UK resident should have a Charles & Camilla oil painting to put in pride of place abive the fire.

[John Galt]

So that's more taxes going down the loo - I think every UK resident should have a Charles & Camilla oil painting to put in pride of place abive the fire.

Why taxes going down the toilet?

Actually I would be interested to know whether people here consider work by Damian Hurst and exhibits for the Turner Prize art? Personally I think that Art, by definition should be athsetically pleasing as well as thought provoking

[WageSlave]

John, I believe that 'modern art' (whatever that means) is art, and I defend it as such. It just happens to be very bad art.
Art has always been more than just technical skill, although that surely is a contributing element. Art has always been about ideas and themes. Renaissance paintings are the perfect example, exploring religious and secular themes, each carefully constructed. So-called modern art continues that tradition, but it has lost the technical part. Now it is simply an idea, and usually a vapid idea.

[Bagpuss]

John, I believe that 'modern art' (whatever that means) is art, and I defend it as such. It just happens to be very bad art.
Art has always been more than just technical skill, although that surely is a contributing element. Art has always been about ideas and themes. Renaissance paintings are the perfect example, exploring religious and secular themes, each carefully constructed. So-called modern art continues that tradition, but it has lost the technical part. Now it is simply an idea, and usually a vapid idea.

'It just happens to be very bad art' What puts you in a position to make sweeping comments like that?



And I thought AtW was an expert on everthing

[WageSlave]

'It just happens to be very bad art' What puts you in a position to make sweeping comments like that?



And I thought AtW was an expert on everthing

Ah, bugpus, I might have guessed you'd be back to kick my balls.

I've never claimed to be an expert. But having studied Renaissance and Enlightenment art at university perhaps I can offer an opinion, or do you object to that? Perhaps you are the great expert on every subject, and everyone else has to ask your permission before expressing any sort of view?

Are you seriously going to tell me that Emin produces good art?

[Churchill]

Are you seriously going to tell me that Emin produces good art?

Now, Emin, she is one seriously ugly bitch! You'd not catch me shagging her leg!

[Pop]

Now, Emin, she is one seriously ugly bitch! You'd not catch me shagging her leg!

Nice baps though. She's got them out a few times, along with the old furry troll.

[Bagpuss]

Ah, bugpus, I might have guessed you'd be back to kick my balls.

I've never claimed to be an expert. But having studied Renaissance and Enlightenment art at university perhaps I can offer an opinion, or do you object to that? Perhaps you are the great expert on every subject, and everyone else has to ask your permission before expressing any sort of view?

Are you seriously going to tell me that Emin produces good art?

Ah. lets just concentrate on the bete noir of the sun/mail. No I don't particularly like TE's work but to dismiss all modern art as rubbish is a bit like saying all modern literature is rubbish. Things move on, times change, and so do the ways we percieve. Art isn't just about photo realism (we have cameras these days), it should be about emotion, interpretation, love/life/death you name it. There are chancers , no doubt, who create something and then look for a meaning, and Emin maybe one of those. But without the none traditional artists such as Picasso's,Van gough, dali, bacon, Hockney, lichtenstein etc. the art world would be a much duller place.

If you get yourself down to the Tate modern, you may be discusted but at least it will make you think. More than can be said for watercolour challenge.

[WageSlave]

Art isn't just about photo realism (we have cameras these days), it should be about emotion, interpretation, love/life/death you name it.

But without the none traditional artists such as Picasso's,Van gough, dali, bacon, Hockney, lichtenstein etc. the art world would be a much duller place.

Guess what. I completely agree with you. By 'modern art' I meant Hirst, Emin, Lucas et al. Their work is art but it's devoid of profound insight and the execution contains precious little skill.
Picasso is without doubt a genius. 'Guernica' isn't a work of photo realism, but it's a powerful statement. He explored non-traditional ways of expressing his art (a la Duchamp). Lichtenstein I would question, but that's another argument.

I've always been a fan of Surrealism and fond of many expressionists. Bacon was a great artist (have you seen 'Love is the Devil'?). Peter Greenaway is an interesting contemporary artist (damn his forum for flooding my inbox!). Speaking of photography, Sam Taylor Wood has produced some good work.