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In fact, have a look at Lucy's Avatar.
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Not enough to argue the toss!
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It is precisely this kind of niaive trust in governments and institutions of state power that lets them get away with carp like this.Originally posted by Churchill View PostMy point is, lighten up, if you're a white anglo-saxon then the chances are it ain't gonna happen to you.
See, with every cloud there's a silver lining!
"Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny. "
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Go on then. Milk no sugar thanks."Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny. "
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Detention
From what I understand the authorities can and have detained people for that long and longer using the current legislative framework
The difference AFAIK is that if this new legislation came in they wouldnt have to present a legal argument for detaining a person for 42 days.
Basically they way I see it, if they pick someone up that has been under surveilence for terrorist offences and they cannot find substantial proof of that individuals involvment in terrorist activities in a few days, then either they are cr@p or the person is innocent.
Its long enough to fly the suspect to an Uzbeki jail and extract a confession under extreme duress.
I disagree with it, I fear the government more than I fear any mullahThere are no evil thoughts except one: the refusal to thinkComment
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This is an eloquent explanation of why the 75% of people who were polled and allegedly for this bill are wrong:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/m.../11/do1101.xml"Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny. "
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Govt wins first vote by 9Comment
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Government has it 315-306...the DUP helped out media is saying. More bucks for NI in the next few months.
Oh bugger. Lucy types faster than I can!McCoy: "Medical men are trained in logic."
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It may not be a done deal just yet even if Labour win the vote, because the House of Lords is bound to vote it down and who knows what might happen before it returns for a second Commons vote.
I reckon GB threatened the Labour rebels with the doomsday option if the govt lost the vote, i.e. that he'd resign and call an election (not that he'd probably have the bottle to go ahead and do that).Comment
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